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Cancel culture IRL

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Emily's Cat said:
I do enjoy the "What, I've never heard of this, this is a mystery to me" position for an incident that was a pretty big deal, had its own thread on ISF, has been mentioned in several other threads that you've both taken part in, and was linked to in this very thread.
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Yes, and just like your links, it just illustrates the PROBLEM with your distorted narrative. You pick some information from the beginning of an incident, and then just make up the ending yourself instead of being even remotely interested in what reality is.

Typically that yes, there was some kind of overreaction to someone at some point, and there were some articles about it, and threads about it and all. But then you just aren't even remotely interested in how that actually continued and ended. You just write your own BS fanfic ending to it, where it's actually a cancellation, or they WILL be cancelled at some point in the future, or someone else will, or even it will result in some ridiculous slippery slope to a genocide.

And frankly, you don't seem to present any credible logical argument for why things will go that way. You seem to just assume that if you throw around some links from the BEGINNING of an incident, everyone will assume up the same ending to it that you did.

Your whole narrative is based on just imagining your own story, that you can then be offended by.
 
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Sherkeu said:
I am corrected.

I just recalled the basics from the documentary footage they put out that he could not go back.
Those kids were pretty darn awful to all of the staff there.
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Yeah sounds like a nasty situation and no one seems to have come out of it smelling of roses.
 
d4m10n said:
Okay, who is suggesting that the rights described above should be limited either de facto or otherwise?

I'm pretty sure these two statements are distinct:

1) Students ought not organize to get teachers sacked for merely attending or spectating at a legally protected protest/counterprotest

2) Students should be punished or sanctioned if they organize to get teachers sacked for merely attending or spectating at a legally protected protest/counterprotest
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I agree that students ought not have organized in this particular case as described in the article. . I may be missing some critical context and I haven’t heard the students reasoning behind it. I don’t agree that they never ought not organize to get a teacher fired for attending a protest, as I can imagine a context in which it would be acceptable. I’m also not the authority on when it’s ok and not ok and how badly a teacher is allowed to offend a student body before they should not want them working on campus.

asking people to voluntarily limit their freedom to express themselves when I think it’s appropriate, based off of my value system, is t realistic. If you want to discuss what people ought to do, I think recognition that they people have a right to choose for themselves based off of what they think is important.

So to answer your question I’m not sure anyone is proposing limits on rights. For me personally I’m not even ready to say cancel culture is wrong in instances I personally disagree with, I don’t presume to have that kind of omnipotent moral authority. As much as antagonists of cancel culture think it’s policing thoughts, telling people when it is and isn’t ok to be angry and who to direct that anger at isn’t much different.
 
lobosrul5 said:
According to wikipedia he was not fired. He sued the school for $3.8 million for not doing enough to protect him from students. He agreed to resign after both he and his wife received $250,000 settlements (a piece I think).

I've gone through Emily Cat's list and honestly the one guy who I truly feel has been screwed over is Emmanuel Cafferty.
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Not only that, he now operates a celebrity featured podcast and has had several media appearances. If you got a half a million dollars and a celebrity podcast you didn’t get “canceled”

This is really just a thread about people losing their jobs. Sometimes, sometimes they don’t.
 
dirtywick said:
So to answer your question I’m not sure anyone is proposing limits on rights. For me personally I’m not even ready to say cancel culture is wrong in instances I personally disagree with, I don’t presume to have that kind of omnipotent moral authority. As much as antagonists of cancel culture think it’s policing thoughts, telling people when it is and isn’t ok to be angry and who to direct that anger at isn’t much different.
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That's a well put sum of my opinion that I was trying to figure out how to put into words. Hypothetically, had Bret Weinstein been found to be a member of The Proud Boys, then I'd 100% support the students "cancelling him". I think they went way overboard and should show a higher degree of tolerance and caution given that Weinstein was just checking out a Blue Lives Matter protest. He may not even have actually supported Blue Lives. But thats just my opinion. They can drop someones class and protest for any reason they want. I can simultaneously hold the opinion that any violence or threats of violence are always wrong and should be prosecuted.
 
dirtywick said:
Not only that, he now operates a celebrity featured podcast and has had several media appearances. If you got a half a million dollars and a celebrity podcast you didn’t get “canceled”

This is really just a thread about people losing their jobs. Sometimes, sometimes they don’t.
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Nick Sandman as well, seems to be doing OK out of being cancelled. He's settled with a couple of news agencies and has pending cases with more.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Meh. Death threats, harassment, no big deal. They came out of it okay. It's fine, we don't need to bother about trying to curb that kind of thing, it's fine.
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But you can't suspend someone from twitter for mere death threats, that is cancel culture after all.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Meh. Death threats, harassment, no big deal. They came out of it okay. It's fine, we don't need to bother about trying to curb that kind of thing, it's fine.
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Those are all illegal - at least they are in the UK. Is it different in the USA?
 
Darat said:
Those are all illegal - at least they are in the UK. Is it different in the USA?
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They are illegal, yes. But when they're done anonymously, it's rather hard to investigate. And apparently, people seem to think it's just fine, because hey - some of those people came out of it just fine, no big deal!
 
Emily's Cat said:
They are illegal, yes. But when they're done anonymously, it's rather hard to investigate. And apparently, people seem to think it's just fine, because hey - some of those people came out of it just fine, no big deal!
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That you think it is fine for death threats and harassment is not a position I can support, I’m assuming it is you that thinks it is fine as no one else in this thread has said it is fine and I am sure you wouldn’t make up such a thing.

Society usually reserves sanctions such as imprisonment for what it considers the worse type of behaviour so given death threats are illegal, harassment is illegal and can result in imprisonment what else should society do?
 
"cancel culture" didn't invent death threats, and I don't find the argument that cancel culture is purely harassment and death threats compelling.

Be that as it may, if cancel culture is such a pervasive and severe problem that it warrants that people "ought" sacrifice their own rights out of respect for the consequences of the victim, the consequences to the victim should be appropriately severe. I haven't really seen that demonstrated either.
 
People in positions of power were pushing people out to the edges of society for NO REASON for thousands of years.

People not in power started using new tools to push back for perfectly valid reason and suddenly it's both a big problem and has to have some new, catchy name applied to it.

The racist store owner calls the cops on black people for 40 years. But the second him doing so goes viral on Twitter and his store has to shut down it's a problem.

It's the same thing the Proudly Wrong always do. When the system is working for them, it's fine. When the system doesn't work in your favor, OH LORDY LORDY WE HAVE TO HAVE A TALK ABOUT MISUSE OF THE SYSTEMS RIGHT NOW! WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE?

It's the grown up version of being that one snot nosed little friend we all had growing up that would beat you at Street Fight 2 ten times in a row but in the first match when you were about to beat him he'd reach down and turn off the console.
 
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Darat said:
That you think it is fine for death threats and harassment is not a position I can support, I’m assuming it is you that thinks it is fine as no one else in this thread has said it is fine and I am sure you wouldn’t make up such a thing.
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I don't think it's fine at all. In fact, that's been a pretty big part of my point throughout this discussion! It's all the people taking these cases where people were threatened, harassed, and coerced... and then responding with "well they are doing okay now" that are effectively hand-waving away such behavior as if it's not a big deal.
 
Emily's Cat said:
They are illegal, yes. But when they're done anonymously, it's rather hard to investigate. And apparently, people seem to think it's just fine, because hey - some of those people came out of it just fine, no big deal!
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Should we de-anonymize social media? Is that a solution you are proposing?

I mean if Parler can do it... (I say that in jest).
 
Emily's Cat said:
I don't think it's fine at all. In fact, that's been a pretty big part of my point throughout this discussion! It's all the people taking these cases where people were threatened, harassed, and coerced... and then responding with "well they are doing okay now" that are effectively hand-waving away such behavior as if it's not a big deal.
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But are the underlined "cancel culture"?? Those three underlined things are generally illegal in the USA. No one here AFAIK has said they shouldn't be.
 
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