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Cancel culture IRL

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JoeMorgue said:
And this is what I mean by Proudly Wrong.

We say something.

They say something that is demonstrably not true and the proof they will present that the world is out to get them is that they aren't being treated the same.

And they get angrier and angrier, more and more hostile, as people try to pull them back to "No this is reality, this is what happened, no we don't have to account for things that are only happening in your head."
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TBH, even anger doesn't bother me much. At least as long as it's not INSTEAD of making a sound logical case. (Which does include checking the premises.) It's not like I'm the calmest person myself.

But that's kinda it: I'm not seeing much of a logical case.

And at this point, it's not even just getting reality wrong. Apparently we also need to go down a massive slippery slope fallacy, and THEN we're getting the St Bartholomew's Day Massacre all over again.

It's almost as if, as you noticed before, some people seem to have surprisingly little experience with defending their ideas outside of an environment where everyone just nods approvingly.
 
dirtywick said:
David Peterson was at a back the blue rally and students found out and dropped his class.
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Evidently some of them went a bit farther than dropping his class.

"We demand the immediate dismissal of both Skidmore staff members for engaging in hateful conduct that threatens Black Skidmore students."

I wish there were some sort of phrase which succinctly sums up the the idea that it makes sense to demand people lose their jobs over attending a protest/counterprotest about a highly salient issue in a college town.

Alas, nothing comes to mind.
 
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d4m10n said:
Evidently some of them went a bit farther than dropping his class.

"We demand the immediate dismissal of both Skidmore staff members for engaging in hateful conduct that threatens Black Skidmore students."

I wish there were some sort of phrase which succinctly sums up the the idea that it makes sense to demand people lose their jobs over attending a protest/counterprotest about a highly salient issue in a college town.

Alas, nothing comes to mind.
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But... he wasn't fired. He still works at Skidmore College to this day.

This is what I'm talking about. We present actual reality as it actually happened and we're countered with things that either could have happened but didn't or straight-up alternative universe fanfiction.

And when you have the entire scope of creation to cherry pick examples from and the best you can come up with is something that almost happened...
 
d4m10n said:
Evidently some of them went a bit farther than dropping his class.

"We demand the immediate dismissal of both Skidmore staff members for engaging in hateful conduct that threatens Black Skidmore students."

I wish there were some sort of phrase which succinctly sums up the the idea that it makes sense to demand people lose their jobs over attending a protest/counterprotest about a highly salient issue in a college town.

Alas, nothing comes to mind.
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well yeah, they did say that, as is their right to do so. the school didn't listen to them, wisely
 
d4m10n said:
Why are you bringing up rights? Did anyone suggest it should be illegal for students to perform cancel culture?
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lol

i don't think so, but i'm not monitoring that

i brought it up because this whole thread is about rights, mostly freedom of expression but a couple of other ones.

you don't like discussing rights?
 
d4m10n said:
ETA: But seriously, do you think groups of students attempting to get profs sacked is not a (sub)cultural phenomenon?
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It can be stupid and a bit entitled in some cases, but it's nothing new. It's actually as old as old as the western civilization. Socrates got "cancelled" even harder, and it was actually for some of the things he was teaching, just over 2400 years ago.

But, more generally, if we're talking college students and occasionally even the professors being entitled and playing silly buggers, it's pretty much as old as western universities are.

Oxford for example was rioting periodically since 1209, including over who gets to be the chancellor in 1349 and 1411. The latter being literally to "cancel" the existing chancellor. And if you thought it was just the students, both had professors leading the riots. Or even it being over politics and us-vs-them divides, the riot of 1314 was between the northerners and southerners at the college, and saw 39 students charged with murder or manslaughter at the end of it, and many more just fled to escape justice.

Sometimes it got even more weirdly entitled. The University Of Paris strike and riots in 1231 started over some students bill at a local pub. The St Scholastica Day riot in Oxford in 1355 started when some students didn't like the quality of the wine at a local pub. The "cancelled" it really good, too: they returned the next day with a mob of fellow students and very nearly demolished the place.


Seriously, anyone thinking that being bad mouthed on Twitter is TEH WORSTEST THING EVAR!!!111eleventeen, or even verily on par with the indiscriminate murder of Huguenots... yeah, no, that's not what history says. Actually we're living in the calmest and safest time ever. If anything, people are far more likely to vent on Twitter and feel like they're doing something, instead of just showing up with cudgels if they don't like the university's chancellor :p
 
d4m10n said:
Why are you bringing up rights? Did anyone suggest it should be illegal for students to perform cancel culture?
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You don't need it to be passing a new law to be essentially trying to de factor limit your rights, or at the very least complain that you have them. In fact a whole swathe of supreme court cases are about people being denied their rights in some way or another, even though they didn't actually break the law.
 
d4m10n said:
Evidently some of them went a bit farther than dropping his class.

"We demand the immediate dismissal of both Skidmore staff members for engaging in hateful conduct that threatens Black Skidmore students."

I wish there were some sort of phrase which succinctly sums up the the idea that it makes sense to demand people lose their jobs over attending a protest/counterprotest about a highly salient issue in a college town.

Alas, nothing comes to mind.
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And you used the right words “a bit”.
 
Hey dirtywick, no offence, but capital letters exist for a reason. It makes it easier to read sentences.
 
d4m10n said:

ETA: But seriously, do you think groups of students attempting to get profs sacked is not a (sub)cultural phenomenon?
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Yes and no.

Yes - students trying to get staff sacked because of their* views been happening since at least the 1960s**.

No - I don’t think it is a subculture or a culture - the main reason being the student body is a transient body that “invents” these same behaviours afresh time and time again. Many people hold that is part of what attending university is meant to be about, young people becoming exposed to what for them are new views, new behaviours and so on.




*that “their” covers both staff and students
**To my personal knowledge and experience
 
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Darat said:
How dare you try and impose your heteronormative patriarchal “capital” letters! ;)

:boxedin:
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he is clearly an ee cummings hater. permaInstaFlamesofDestructionban. now.
reasons.
amirite?

eecummingseta" OMG! OMG!!! he just admitted he is so total nazi. permafrostalaskaban. so cold so cold. so fitting for the nazi.
 
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I think it's definitely fair to say that "students protesting about ****, much of which is stupid" is not a new phenomenon.
 
Also now it occurs to me that it kinda parallels an observation I made about video games a long time ago in a galaxy far a... err... just a long time ago: if people complain about stuff like, say, laced sleeves being 100 years too early or tunics being a bit short for 1403 in Kingdom Come Deliverance, it means it doesn't have bigger problems. I mean, if it crashed them to desktop, they'd be complaining about that and not even notice or care about the choice of texture on a dress shoulder.

Kinda same idea here. If THE issue of the day is that, boo-hoo, some people were angry on Twitter about some guy, it actually means we're living in very fortunate times indeed. If one had bigger actual problems, stuff like some people bad-mouthing their professor wouldn't even register.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
I think it's definitely fair to say that "students protesting about ****, much of which is stupid" is not a new phenomenon.
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Indeed. I'm not sure which part of "College Campus have more than their fair share of cause-tards" is supposed to be news to anyone or what shocking point it's supposed to be.
 
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