She was role-playing as a child as part of a quack therapy program.
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She was role-playing as a child as part of a quack therapy program.
Emily's Cat
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This is oddly worded. I had to read it three times before I figured out that you were NOT implying that sherkeu was somehow being disingenuous.
Which she was told to do by strange and disturbing "psychiatrists". It makes her a gullible fool, but unfortunately there's nothing abnormal about that.
Emily's Cat
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All there seem to be is a lot of anecdotes, which may be impossible to confirm or deny. If that's all there is to read about trans-inclusive prisons and shelters -- which is a bias too lucrative for any media to turn down -- it's no surprise that most people assume it happens frequently.
I think society needs to drop the "no perfect victim" mantra and encourage victims to provide verifiable accounts to aboveboard sources.
Prisons and shelters are no place to be squeemish about surveillance. They should be as full of cameras and alarms as a Beijing street corner.
They're not hearsay. FFS, I provided links to several in Canada yesterday. Did you ignore them?Sherkeu
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To be fair, for a competitive high-achieving athlete whose life has centered around that sport, giving that up might more difficult than waiting. It's also a BIG part of their identity. The WNBA player doesnt have all that far to go to seem manly. Maybe just losing the breasts is enough.
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On a related note, I honestly think there FtM have a different etiology and seem much less adamant about flexing their full maleness. For a some of them (sadly), becoming more male is a protective measure from past trauma and wanting to get rid of anything sexualized.
But I'm not gonna debate that one!!
*(There was one really sad story about one 'trans kid' though it wasnt a 'thing' back when she wanted very badly to be a boy. I think it was in a Mormon paper (but not a religious article). As a mom of a young girl I just cringe when I read those stories. I'll add a link when I find it.)
eta; here it is...
https://latterdaysaintmag.com/why-a-former-trans-kid-pleads-with-utah-officials-dont-ban-therapy/
She makes a lot of sense, at least for the additional considerations of young females.
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Rolfe
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Don't call women cis, it's an insult.
Women simply don't behave like that, other than in extremely rare cases.
And I note you want to remove all privacy from women in domestic violence shelters by smothering them in cameras. Do you think any woman would go to such a shelter if that were the case? Women in prison are overwhelmingly disadvantaged and in need of support. Shoving aggressive intact men in with them, where they can't get out, and then plastering the place with cameras so they have no privacy from anyone, is really going to do their mental heath a power of good, you think?
You have absolutely no empathy for how women feel about all this, and neither, frankly, do these men who fondly announce that they have women's feelings. No they don't or they wouldn't bully women and demand that women surrender all their rights to make them feel better.
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Emily's Cat
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Um... okay... I'm going to point out something I think is incredibly, painfully obvious, and you can react however you feel is appropriate.
The number of CIS-MEN in the WOMEN'S PRISON who RAPE FEMALE PRISONERS is pretty much NIL. The ONLY REASON these MALE-BODIED people are in the WOMEN'S PRISON is because they identify as TRANSWOMEN.
The number of CIS-MEN in WOMEN'S SHELTERS who abuse FEMALE RESIDENTS is nonexistent... because CIS-MEN ARE NOT ALLOWED. The only reason these FEMALE RESIDENTS were abused by MALE-BODIED people is because those MALE-BODIED people identify as TRANSWOMEN.
Emily's Cat
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So the quackery is nutty.
No matter how you slice it, I hope you understand that it's the forty-some-odd year old person role playing as a six year old that is the wacky part that makes us go "hmm...." not the transgender part.
Emily's Cat
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Collin, I asked this of both you and SuburbanTurkey, and neither of you answered. I'd like to ask again.
How much rape and sexual assault do you think females should be required to experience in order to allow male-bodied transwomen the right to be housed with females?
How much rape and sexual assault do you think females should be required to experience in order to allow male-bodied transwomen the right to be housed with females?
theprestige
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I'm pretty sure it would be big news if men were going into women's shelters and harassing women at even the rate of these trans-transgressions.
ETA: Hell, I'm pretty sure if it were happening at all, there would be serious questions from the board about whether the place was even performing its most basic function as a shelter.
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Rolfe
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I'll answer that. None. Nor should they be required to experience any discomfort or uneasiness at the presence of a male in their sleeping or sanitary accommodation.
If there is some special reason why transwomen can't be housed in male prisons (more so than for example weak men or effeminate men or mentally retarded men) then separate facilities should be constructed, attached to male prisons (or entirely self-contained), not as an annexe to women's prisons. Let's face it, there is no shortage of transwomen in prison. The number of transwomen as a % of the prison population is massively higher than in society as a whole. (Which should tell you something, probably.) They won't be lonely.
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Unless it's been fact-checked from multiple sources with a fine tooth comb, an online article about sexual assault is inherently unreliable. Please stop link-listing me. I'm not buying it. Period.
Rolfe
Adult human female
Frightened that your preconceptions will be challenged and proved wrong?
theprestige
Penultimate Amazing
Peak mainstream media within 10 days?
You know what would really be fair? Every prisoner in solitary confinement. Would that make you happy?
I've had enough of these baseless bigoted screeds.
Joe Random
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Ya know, there's "I'm not going to jump immediately into 100% acceptance of an unverified online claim involving a hot-button social issue", and then there's "LALALAICAN'THEARYOULALALA".
Peak TERF right now!
Sherkeu
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I wondered about this too...and I did not have this assumption at the start of this debate. But to claim 100% woman and not have these shared concerns of most other women is a big disconnect.
I used to think I was more 'male brained'...you know not very emotional, more science oriented, pragmatic, don't like shopping, primping, or talking recipes and diaper brands, etc ugh!.... But I get reminded in here that there are some fundamentals of my female "valid lived experience" that some men are getting very very wrong. It's frankly a bit insulting.
Louden Wilde
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Count me among those who has found it quite toxic.
I think that there may be a fair amount of 'woke' males who are what they call "TRA in the streets, TERF in the sheets"...
Count me among those who has found it quite toxic.
I think that there may be a fair amount of 'woke' males who are what they call "TRA in the streets, TERF in the sheets"...
100% of the toxicity on this thread has been from the anti trans rights side.
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