Ed Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories....

[Axxman300]

Nonsense. Dont try to make it about me. Trust the thousands of doctors and 150+ studies. If you watched the brief video you saw that the odds analysis reached 1 in 6 trillion in favor of the 153 HCQ studies. Argue with the math if you wish.

I don't watch videos. I learned to read as a child.

And the numbers are BS. No medication has that kind of success rate.

Months ago I posted here 22 studies supporting HCQ, from the CDC site. Were you one of those sneering at the 100+ doctors behind those studies? Now with 153 HCQ studies (as of Dec) there must be thousands of doctors for uninformed clowns to sneer at. Not to mention the 1000+ Frontline Doctors.

It's simple, if it works then they would be using it on everyone.

And the proper initials are HCQS, not HCQ.

Turns out the drug does as much damage as the virus:

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safe...oroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or

[this is a link to a non-neo-nazi website, careful]

This is the National Institute of Health:

Recommendations
The COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel (the Panel) recommends against the use of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine with or without azithromycin for the treatment of COVID-19 in hospitalized patients (AI).
In nonhospitalized patients, the Panel recommends against the use of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine with or without azithromycin for the treatment of COVID-19, except in a clinical trial (AI).
The Panel recommends against the use of high-dose chloroquine (600 mg twice daily for 10 days) for the treatment of COVID-19 (AI).

Source: https://www.covid19treatmentguideli...roxychloroquine-with-or-without-azithromycin/

Big pharma shenanigans as usual, since forever. In the case of Covid, Fauci is in on it. He knew NIH found HCQ effective on Corona in 2005. Follow the $. He and his wife stand to make money in the vaccine industry. Do some homework.

Everything you've said here is a lie.

Why would any pharmaceutical company want to make LESS MONEY? They have lawyers, they also have lawyers who are doctors. Seriously, try to screw with a big pharmaceutical company some time.

The fatal (overdosed with HCQ) fraudulent study which Lancet retracted snuffed the HCQ trials program. Thank goodness sensible doctors have carried on.

You spelled Quack wrong.

Enough with your lame strawmen. Some doctors are afraid, others are courageous. I support the latter. You?

I haven't seen any doctors who are afraid. I should add that EVERY DOCTOR I've seen says COVID-19 is the real deal.

True, however not quite. I know a doctor in Calif who would prescribe it but is afraid to. Big Brother is watching. He says some of his doctor friends wont even discuss it. Have your 'sources' not informed you? Fire them today.

1.Medicines are prescribed based on the individual patient. This is why some people don't get Penicillin, or opiods. There are a lot of medicines which can kill people if they're just handed out. HCQS is one of them.

2. There are better treatments.

3. As you recall from your obvious hours spent in lab during medical school, science all trial and error. COVID-19 didn't exist in the human population until the summer of 2019. As it raced out of control, medical science has been using the spaghetti approach, just as it did with AIDS back in the day.

California threatened doctors months ago with disciplinary action if they prescribed HCQ 'off standards' or whatever the language was.

Look it up.

Good. Those quacks were killing people.

The Frontline Doctors are now prescribing it via telemed. Maybe you should hurry and report them to Rachel Maddow or your man Fauci. (he already knows

And the real doctors are doing what, exactly?

Here's a concept for your paranoid reasoning to consider: COVID-19 might be worse than the government is telling people. The death toll might be higher than reported. In early February I visited my pulmonologist and the entire office was masked up. The doctors were nervous...Why?...What did my pulmonologist know in February?

The Monterey Bay Aquarium closed to the public in March ahead of the State's shutdown order...Why?...When the state re-opened the Aquariu remained closed...Why? The Monterey Bay Aquarium is under the Packard Foundation and has close ties to Stanford University. They also finance the Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute wherein top scientists conduct cutting edge work. So between Stanford, which has one of the best medical schools in the world (just ask them) and MBARI a paranoid person might suspect that the Parkard Foundation is looking at different data than the CDC and the general public.

[This is how you CT in the big leagues]

 

[bruto]

Bubba, with regard to the charge that every death from every source is attributed to Covid 19. If you were actually interested in the truth, this would be a very easy charge to substantiate, and it would be very easy to provide hard data to substantiate it.

Localities have statistics on overall deaths and their causes. If what you say were true, then one of two things would happen: either the drop in conventional causes would be so drastic, stupid and transparent that it would be easy to point to, or an equally stupid and transparent discrepancy between the number of deaths reported and the number of deaths that actually occur.

So why don't you get off your duff and look something up instead of linking to right wing conspiracy nuts. Where is this supposed skulduggery happening? It sure as hell isn't happening here in Vermont.

e.t.a. just in case you're wondering, although statistics for 2020 have not come out yet, we run approximately 8 or 9 percent death rate, something in the 4000 range, per year. The total Coronavirus rate as of today is, I believe, 168 counting this month. Unless there is something really absolutely crazily wacky going on, I think it's pretty safe to say that when the statistics do come out for this past year, they will not show either that about 160 people died all year, or that the number of Covid deaths has been revised upward from 160 to 4000. So, Bubba: where is the terrible crime you describe actually happening?

 

[Jim_MDP]

I don't watch videos. I learned to read as a child.



And the numbers are BS. No medication has that kind of success rate.







It's simple, if it works then they would be using it on everyone.



And the proper initials are HCQS, not HCQ.



Turns out the drug does as much damage as the virus:



https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safe...oroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or



[this is a link to a non-neo-nazi website, careful]



This is the National Institute of Health:







Source: https://www.covid19treatmentguideli...roxychloroquine-with-or-without-azithromycin/









Everything you've said here is a lie.



Why would any pharmaceutical company want to make LESS MONEY? They have lawyers, they also have lawyers who are doctors. Seriously, try to screw with a big pharmaceutical company some time.









You spelled Quack wrong.









I haven't seen any doctors who are afraid. I should add that EVERY DOCTOR I've seen says COVID-19 is the real deal.







1.Medicines are prescribed based on the individual patient. This is why some people don't get Penicillin, or opiods. There are a lot of medicines which can kill people if they're just handed out. HCQS is one of them.



2. There are better treatments.



3. As you recall from your obvious hours spent in lab during medical school, science all trial and error. COVID-19 didn't exist in the human population until the summer of 2019. As it raced out of control, medical science has been using the spaghetti approach, just as it did with AIDS back in the day.









Good. Those quacks were killing people.







And the real doctors are doing what, exactly?



Here's a concept for your paranoid reasoning to consider: COVID-19 might be worse than the government is telling people. The death toll might be higher than reported. In early February I visited my pulmonologist and the entire office was masked up. The doctors were nervous...Why?...What did my pulmonologist know in February?



The Monterey Bay Aquarium closed to the public in March ahead of the State's shutdown order...Why?...When the state re-opened the Aquariu remained closed...Why? The Monterey Bay Aquarium is under the Packard Foundation and has close ties to Stanford University. They also finance the Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute wherein top scientists conduct cutting edge work. So between Stanford, which has one of the best medical schools in the world (just ask them) and MBARI a paranoid person might suspect that the Parkard Foundation is looking at different data than the CDC and the general public.



[This is how you CT in the big leagues]

Regarding the aquarium...
Uh... They've got 600 million (?) invested in their research facility (really wish I'd visited while I lived nearby) and are being prudent to prevent nasty human cross transmission to their investment should it be possible.
Hope they keep the aquarium safe, I'd like to see it someday.

 

[Axxman300]

Regarding the aquarium...
Uh... They've got 600 million (?) invested in their research facility (really wish I'd visited while I lived nearby) and are being prudent to prevent nasty human cross transmission to their investment should it be possible.
Hope they keep the aquarium safe, I'd like to see it someday.

MBARI and the Aquarium are great. Good people work there, and their leadership is wise and cautious. Honestly, I believe they are just better at assessing incoming and background data than the State is.

And you need to come here when it re-opens.

 

[bruto]

Bubba, please keep post #1161 in mind as it inevitably scrolls off the page. You made a very explicit statement alleging that coronavirus deaths have been flagrantly, grossly misreported to the extent that what is not real is made to seem real. Facts please. Where and when. Not links to kinks. Your facts, your research, tell us the numbers. Can you swing that?

 

[turingtest]

Bubba, please keep post #1161 in mind as it inevitably scrolls off the page. You made a very explicit statement alleging that coronavirus deaths have been flagrantly, grossly misreported to the extent that what is not real is made to seem real. Facts please. Where and when. Not links to kinks. Your facts, your research, tell us the numbers. Can you swing that?

Oh, I'll be so using that one...

By my count, this makes three of us now who have made this point to Bubba, and asked him the same question. That should make it pretty easy for him to see. And someone who's constantly chiding us for relying on sources that don't tell the whole story should surely be able to point us to the original sources that do.

Not holding my breath, though.

 

[Mader Levap]

I dont get you guys. (...) Whats the deal ?

It is very simple.

We think that you believe in made up BS and videos that you presented are made up BS. Exactly like you believed in previous made up BS that spectacularly failed.

 

[dudalb]

Much easier to pretend you know something than to actually do the work. Getting your science and medical information from the fetid pool known as Facebook virtually guarantees an infection, and its spread.

And this is one of the main problems with the Internet/SOcial media. Someone once wrote that if you could ban people from pontificating on things they know nothing about, Internet traffic would drop by at least 50%....

 

[dudalb]

And, as predicted, the Anti Vaxxers are making a huge deal about the sad death of Hank Aaron.

 

[Erock]

And, as predicted, the Anti Vaxxers are making a huge deal about the sad death of Hank Aaron.

They probably won't make such a big deal about this one though....

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/covid-denier-gary-matthews-dies-b908310.html

 

[Checkmite]

Yikes, this guy sounds like he's down Bubba's alley for sure

The Wisconsin pharmacist who intentionally sabotaged hundreds of doses of the Moderna coronavirus vaccine because he thought COVID-19 was a hoax, also believes the earth is flat and the sky is actually a “shield put up by the Government to prevent individuals from seeing God.”

That’s according to a newly-unsealed FBI search warrant application obtained by The Daily Beast, which the bureau filed earlier this month requesting permission to analyze an iPhone, a laptop, and a thumb drive seized from Steven Brandenburg when he was arrested in late December.

The warrant application, filed in federal court by FBI Special Agent Lindsay Schloemer, reveals that Brandenburg’s delusions went far beyond doubting the reality of the coronavirus. Not only did Brandenburg insist the “microchipped” vaccine would “turn off people’s birth control and make others infertile,” he was convinced that the physical world around him was not what it seemed, a coworker told investigators.

“Some of the conspiracy theories Brandenburg told [the coworker] about included: the earth is flat; the sky is not real, rather it is a shield put up by the Government to prevent individuals from seeing God; and Judgment Day is coming,” the 26-page filing says.

The coworker, identified in the document as pharmacy technician Sarah Sticker, told authorities that Brandenburg carried a .45-caliber handgun to work, which he said he needed “in case the military came to take him away.” Cops seized several firearms from Brandenburg’s home on New Year’s Eve.

According to divorce records reviewed by Milwaukee ABC News affiliate WISN, Brandenburg’s wife Gretchen told a judge that her husband was storing bulk food and guns in multiple rental units, fearing that the government was planning attacks on the electrical grid and the nation’s computer networks. She said she was so scared for her safety, and that of her children’s, that she left town.

Well, to be fair, I don't know if Bubba is the "stockpile weapons in case the military comes to get you and scare your wife into running away with the kids" type; I haven't really seen evidence of that. But the rest of it seems consistent.

 

[dudalb]

Sure we all saw the lovely demonstration by the Anti Vaxxers in LA yesterday.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

dubious challenge to the CDC's statistics

"The bombshell paper is titled: “A Critical Review of CDC USA Data on Covid-19: PCR/Antigen Tests & Cases Reveal Herd Immunity Only, & Do Not Warrant Public Hysteria or Lockdown.” It was posted on two of his academic webpages on 16 Jan 2021...He’d been waiting for the final statistics to come in for 2020. When they did, he noticed two spectacularly odd things: Firstly, if one subtracted the numbers of Covid deaths (around 315,000) from the total number of people who died from all causes in 2020 (around 2.9 million), one obtained a dramatically low number of total deaths, lower than in any year since 2014. It appeared to him that the reported number of “Covid” deaths were being re-defined and subtracted from other causes of deaths; the people who died of “co-morbidities” were being shifted over into the Covid category. Secondly, on January 3rd, the CDC released its year-end final week count of all-cause deaths in one dramatically high number—268,259 to be exact." link

This is not the first time I have seen someone challenge the notion that there have been many deaths due to Covid-19. I think that his analysis is, in all probability, very wrong and terribly misguided; however, I know just enough about death statistics to be dangerous. For example, my understanding is that there is a lag between a person's dying and the the tally of his or her death. Does anyone care to comment?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Any reason I should read past this in the link?

The Covid-19 death count is a fabrication

Because I didn't.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

crunching the numbers

Any reason I should read past this in the link?Because I didn't.

I saw the link on the wall of a Facebook friend and wondered how to respond. One possible rejoinder is that many countries besides the United States experienced excess deaths in 2020, according to graphs I saw in The Economist a few months ago. I found myself wondering if there were a statistician out in cyberspace who had previously debunked some of the erroneous work that is floating around concerning the virus.
EDT
There is an adequate debunking of a number of myths at the Mayo Clinic, but it does not cover this one. The Financial Times has a good 12-minute video that gets closer to the subject I had in mind. It covers England.

 

[Rolfe]

One thing to bear in mind is the concept of harvesting. Many of the people who died from covid were very elderly and might well have been expected to die during 2020 in any case. Thus subtracting all the covid deaths is going to give you a skewed low number because Uncle Bill who died of covid in May did not then appear as a death in November from a stroke. It doesn't mean they didn't die of covid though.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

It's not hard to sort that out. CDC has done just that here for the US: Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19

If grandpa died a few months early due to COVID, (ignoring arguments for the moment that still sucks), then total deaths for the year should be a wash. They aren't obviously.

Excess deaths due to bad flu years has been a statistic we've used for decades. I'm sure the EU countries as well as others produce similar measures.

The argument made by the so-called "bombshell paper" is one based in ignorance. No surprise there.

 

[Rolfe]

Oh yes. They're misusing the statistics.

 

[marting]

"The bombshell paper is titled: “A Critical Review of CDC USA Data on Covid-19: PCR/Antigen Tests & Cases Reveal Herd Immunity Only, & Do Not Warrant Public Hysteria or Lockdown.” It was posted on two of his academic webpages on 16 Jan 2021...He’d been waiting for the final statistics to come in for 2020. When they did, he noticed two spectacularly odd things: Firstly, if one subtracted the numbers of Covid deaths (around 315,000) from the total number of people who died from all causes in 2020 (around 2.9 million), one obtained a dramatically low number of total deaths, lower than in any year since 2014. It appeared to him that the reported number of “Covid” deaths were being re-defined and subtracted from other causes of deaths; the people who died of “co-morbidities” were being shifted over into the Covid category. Secondly, on January 3rd, the CDC released its year-end final week count of all-cause deaths in one dramatically high number—268,259 to be exact." link

This is not the first time I have seen someone challenge the notion that there have been many deaths due to Covid-19. I think that his analysis is, in all probability, very wrong and terribly misguided; however, I know just enough about death statistics to be dangerous. For example, my understanding is that there is a lag between a person's dying and the the tally of his or her death. Does anyone care to comment?

Here's the doc's twitter where you can get a pretty good idea of his mindset. It's way down the rabbit hole. Anti vaxer, says there are essentially no covid-19 deaths, giant conspiracy by big pharma, communists, antifa, etc.

https://twitter.com/drjamesdemeo?lang=en

As for his "paper," I've taken a quick look and haven't found what he claims based on data he says comes from the CDC. looks like he took the nominal threshold which is what the CDC uses to alert when deaths become concerning. Then says they made up a bunch of deaths at the end of 2020. Looks like he cherry picked CDC data then ascribed them incorrectly.

I haven't seen any critiques of the paper but it is getting some circulation in fringe sites like theconservativetreehouse. Amazing how polarized things are.

 

[marting]

BTW, the "bombshell paper's author is not only a fan of Wilhelm Reich of the infamous "argone accumulator" quackery that was big 75 years ago but he runs this organization!

Orgone Biophysical Research Lab

Clearly a source of impeccable science.