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Cancel culture IRL

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mumblethrax said:
I'd say not so much funny as careful and perspicacious. All of these expressions (political correctness, SJWs, cancel culture, virtue signaling, even the skeptic's own lamentable 'woo-woo') exist to put people on their back feet, and where they're effective they are subject to semantic expansion. I had a sense of what people meant by 'political correctness' when I first heard it, and it rapidly expanded to cover a lot of behavior beyond that. Twenty years later, that was replayed with SJW. I don't use any of these vague taunts, because I'm not an idiot.

I do think there's a problem with people ginning up false outrage to get people they perceive as enemies fired (or worse) for innocuous comments (or in this case, a pretty decent joke), and I think that poses a threat to a culture of free speech. I'm just not going to refer to that as 'cancellation', because...I'm still not an idiot. But hope springs eternal.
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I’m not sure how free speech is being threatened considering that in this specific example the person who was supposedly “cancelled” a) doesn’t agree that he was “cancelled”, and b) seems to be speaking rather freely.
 
Cancel culture definitely has run amok. A lady expressed the opinion that congress people and VP Pence should be lynched and some DC cop cancelled her with a bullet! God damned libs are ruining everything.
 
johnny karate said:
I’m not sure how free speech is being threatened considering that in this specific example the person who was supposedly “cancelled” a) doesn’t agree that he was “cancelled”, and b) seems to be speaking rather freely.
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The fact that he doesn't think he was "cancelled" (because he thinks that term defies analysis) doesn't imply that there isn't a problem for a culture of free speech.

And yes, he's speaking freely, but that's because he doesn't have his job anymore. There's an incentive structure created by mobs being permitted to go after people's livelihoods for the innocuous things they say.
 
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for the most part I feel that regular people now having the ability to reach a broad of an audience is threatening and scary to entitled people who are used to having little accountability for the things they say, so they decry cancel culture
 
As predicted, the left is eating its own

johnny karate said:
We were talking about cancel culture. This is a thread about cancel culture.
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Cancel culture definitely has run amok. A lady expressed the opinion that congress people and VP Pence should be lynched and some DC cop cancelled her with a bullet! God damned libs are ruining everything.
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Who will be next ?


Leftists canceling leftists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1D...bxiDoRCXR3sPobspXt3JEa0Ch_VfQfcguDQLhgkfhGU_0
 
because being banned from Facebook is a serious issue of censorship and now everyone is a leftist the answer to your question is a leftist will be banned from Facebook next
 
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Bubba said:
Who will be next ?


Leftists canceling leftists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1D...bxiDoRCXR3sPobspXt3JEa0Ch_VfQfcguDQLhgkfhGU_0
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Oh great, Jimmy Dore *and* Glenn Greenwald.

I stopped listening almost immediately, first because the Boogaloo Boy apologist and the white nationalism apologist don't fill me with confidence on any subject, and second because Facebook's long-running hostility towards left-wing groups (and LGBT people, and to a lesser extent nonwhite people) is part of why I left that platform over a decade ago.

Their obnoxious attitude towards privacy is the stronger reason, but still, the point is that even if being banned from Facebook is "censorship", the company is plainly right-leaning libertarian, not "leftist" (for that matter, so is Greenwald - Dore is a Bernie stan reduced to screaming and ranting at his one-time hero who didn't pay him the attention he thinks he deserves, as I've said before)
 
this is exactly what I’m talking about though. the idea that a private company taking away their free media platform that they provide to you because they value the business of many other users instead is being censored. entitlement

now imagine calling that leftist lol
 
d4m10n said:
Best to assume bad faith, eh? No need to engage.
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That's fair, that was a pointless jab not really meant to do much.

on a more serious note, we're probably days away from right wingers screeching "cancel culture" in response to the backlash against Marjorie Taylor Greene's unhinged past statements about conspiracy theories and endorsing political violence.

After all, if you can't claim that (((George Soros))) started the California wildfires or that the Parkland shooting was a false flag, then civil discourse is dead in this country.

"Cancel culture" has always been an attempt by people espousing reprehensible, dangerous ideas to paint their critics as the unreasonable people. MTG's comments endorsing political violence to her peers in Congress are fine, but those reacting to this credible danger to their lives are hysterical wokescolds.
 
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mumblethrax said:
The fact that he doesn't think he was "cancelled" (because he thinks that term defies analysis) doesn't imply that there isn't a problem for a culture of free speech.

And yes, he's speaking freely, but that's because he doesn't have his job anymore. There's an incentive structure created by mobs being permitted to go after people's livelihoods for the innocuous things they say.
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You’re hinting at what seems to be at the heart of most “cancel culture” claims: That “mobs” are somehow coercing corporations and businesses into firing people.

Unfortunately, there doesn’t seem to be any evidence to support such an implication.

The reality is more along the lines of: Person who works for a business or corporation says or does something that the business or corporation finds objectionable, said business or corporation terminates their relationship with said person.

There is no threat to free speech anywhere in that scenario.

Except of course for the expressed desire of the wokescolds to infringe on the free speech rights of the “mob” who informs the corporation or business of their employee’s objectionable behavior in the first place.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
That's fair, that was a pointless jab not really meant to do much.

on a more serious note, we're probably days away from right wingers screeching "cancel culture" in response to the backlash against Marjorie Taylor Greene's unhinged past statements about conspiracy theories and endorsing political violence.

After all, if you can't claim that (((George Soros))) started the California wildfires or that the Parkland shooting was a false flag, then civil discourse is dead in this country.

"Cancel culture" has always been an attempt by people espousing reprehensible, dangerous ideas to paint their critics as the unreasonable people. MTG's comments endorsing political violence to her peers in Congress are fine, but those reacting to this credible danger to their lives are hysterical wokescolds.
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I feel like we’ve passed Peak Cancel Culture.

Kind of hard to take a principled stance on the issue when the likes of Matt Gaetz and MTG are its most vocal proponents.
 
It has indeed been a long term observation of mine that the most vocal about "freedom of speech" are more like about their freedom to restrict yours (e.g., you can't criticize them, or you're infringing on their freedom of speech), just like the ones most feeling oppressed for their religion seem to be those who feel oppressed if they can't shove it down your throat.

That said, it's also been an observation of mine that around each USA election, the right comes with some buzzword that any idiot can just repeat over and over again, no mental capacity needed. We've been through, in no particular order, "taxation is theft", "job creators", "SJW", "woke", and now it seems to be "cancel culture".

I don't think it's even supposed to hold any water. It's just something that puts some people on the back foot the first time they have to deal with it, then most people are not particularly impressed any more. Which might be why it just peaks out of nowhere before election time, as said idiots carpet-bomb every board and medium with it, and then it kinda dies out. Well, almost. There'll always be the numpty who didn't figure that out and doesn't know when to stop, so they'll keep repeating it ad nauseam.
 
In the Anglophone world, alliteration makes any name or phrase easy to remember.

If he'd been Delbert, nobody would remember Jesse James.

Same with kancel kulture. It doesn't mean anything, but it doesn't have to. The spittle-sprayers can always bellow it, because it leaps onto their tongues without effort.



Yeah yeah, spittle and spray, alliteration. Look, I didn't invent the language.
 
johnny karate said:
You’re hinting at what seems to be at the heart of most “cancel culture” claims: That “mobs” are somehow coercing corporations and businesses into firing people.
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No, I'm saying that mobs getting people fired for no good reason is a problem. Sometimes people point to that and say "cancel culture". I don't think "cancel culture" is a unified or specific phenomenon, but to the extent that we're talking about ginning up false outrage to get people fired for doing innocuous things, there's a problem there. It's a mistake to handwave it just because someone called it "cancel culture".
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
...we're probably days away from right wingers screeching "cancel culture" in response to the backlash against Marjorie Taylor Greene's unhinged past statements about conspiracy theories and endorsing political violence.
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Don't you think the discussion of cancel culture would be more interesting if we picked the hard cases (where it's not obvious someone deserves or deserved to be sacked) rather than the easy ones?
 
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