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d4m10n said:
You misunderstand me. They were talking about violence therefore we can infer they were thinking about it as well. Unless you're willing to say their chanting was utterly mindless, that is.
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You think protesters chanting about the inherent violence of our police and political system is a direct threat of immediate violent action?
 
Emily's Cat said:
Only if you assume that Suburban Turkey thinks that rudeness is wrong. I'm not sure that would be his view on it.
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I've already stated that I think these protesters are misguided, and that attempts to extract gestures of white solidarity from randos on the street is tedious and largely pointless.

Protesters willing to get into people faces would be much better off convening at their local police station or mayor's mansion.

But at the end of the day, who cares? Somebody got yelled at. Thoughts and prayers to the survivors.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
You think protesters chanting about the inherent violence of our police and political system is a direct threat of immediate violent action?
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I don't think they were chanting about the system, actually; I think they were publicly shaming an individual for failing to demonstrate solidarity.
 
d4m10n said:
I don't think they were chanting about the system, actually; I think they were publicly shaming an individual for failing to demonstrate solidarity.
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sure. Public shaming isn't a threat of violence.

"white silence is violence" is a common protest chant and by no means a individualized threat of violence.
 
d4m10n said:
Shaming her for doing violence might well be, though.

Generally speaking, people think it is ethical to react to violence in kind.
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"in kind" would be systematic violence by an indifferent political system, not a punch to the face in the streets.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
But at the end of the day, who cares? Somebody got yelled at.
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You seem to care a lot about people getting yelled at in some situations, but not in others. I find it incomprehensible that a rational human would be so comfortable with the clear lack of consistency in applying moral principles. The amount of selectivity involved really does baffle me.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
"in kind" would be systematic violence by an indifferent political system, not a punch to the face in the streets.
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But a punch in the face on the tube is okay?

Honest questions here:

If the puncher in the tube had been a white bystander, rather then the black man subjected to racist rants, would you approve of Steele being punched?

If the woman sitting in the midst of this mob had been a minority, would you approve of them surrounding her and yelling in her face? Would you still view it as no big deal and just an inconvenience?
 
Emily's Cat said:
You seem to care a lot about people getting yelled at in some situations, but not in others. I find it incomprehensible that a rational human would be so comfortable with the clear lack of consistency in applying moral principles. The amount of selectivity involved really does baffle me.
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I would be entirely okay with the woman being harassed responding with a good solid punch to the face of the persons getting in her face in that manner. It would be a good deal less punkish than the one layed on the ******* on the train- considering the situations they both found themselves in.

I am not sure ST would disagree.
 
Emily's Cat said:
But a punch in the face on the tube is okay?

Honest questions here:

If the puncher in the tube had been a white bystander, rather then the black man subjected to racist rants, would you approve of Steele being punched?
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Yes. Racism is a blight on the entire community, not just individual victims. It's the responsibility of decent people who are able and willing to intervene.

Emily's Cat said:
If the woman sitting in the midst of this mob had been a minority, would you approve of them surrounding her and yelling in her face? Would you still view it as no big deal and just an inconvenience?
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I don't "approve" of the original situation. Not sure how many times I have to restate that I think such confrontations are tedious and likely counterproductive. These protesters are real dorks.

I just don't think it's a serious enough breach of public order to be worth crying about, and it's by no means "violence" by any stretch of the imagination. Any amount of digital ink spent on such petty incidences is a waste.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
I don't "approve" of the original situation. Not sure how many times I have to restate that I think such confrontations are tedious and likely counterproductive. These protesters are real dorks.

I just don't think it's a serious enough breach of public order to be worth crying about, and it's by no means "violence" by any stretch of the imagination. Any amount of digital ink spent on such petty incidences is a waste.
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There's a lot of weasely language in here, ST. Your only objection so far to the mob yelling at her is that it's "tedious" and "not productive". You also keep consistently casting it as a petty incidence that isn't worth discussion, a minor inconvenience, and similar such dismissive commentary. Hell, you can't even say that you disapprove, and the closest you can get is to put approve in quotation marks.

All of this seems to imply that you think it's morally acceptable for a crowd of people in threatening stances to surround an individual, trap them against a wall, and yell at them.
 
Emily's Cat said:
There's a lot of weasely language in here, ST. Your only objection so far to the mob yelling at her is that it's "tedious" and "not productive". You also keep consistently casting it as a petty incidence that isn't worth discussion, a minor inconvenience, and similar such dismissive commentary. Hell, you can't even say that you disapprove, and the closest you can get is to put approve in quotation marks.

All of this seems to imply that you think it's morally acceptable for a crowd of people in threatening stances to surround an individual, trap them against a wall, and yell at them.
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We live in turbulent times. This is not an exceptional incident.
 
Jared Holt said:
Come on down to "CancelCon" -- a convention of cancelled people who have six-figure-or-more paying jobs, big online audiences, and appear regularly on TV because they're so cancelled--for a conversation hosted by YAF, which has an operating budget in the tens of millions of $$$
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https://twitter.com/jaredlholt?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

Featuring Dennis Prager, Adam Carolla, Dave Rubin, and Ben Shaprio. Famously censored voices.
 
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Alan Dershowitz, free speech defender and author of upcoming book "Cancel Culture", is suing CNN for 300 million for saying means things about him.

https://lawandcrime.com/lawsuit/alan-dershowitz-files-300-million-lawsuit-against-cnn-for-portraying-him-as-an-intellectual-who-had-lost-his-mind/

lol choice quote at the end:

The defamation lawsuit against CNN comes at a time when Dershowitz is locked in a defamation lawsuit with Virginia Roberts Giuffre, who claims Dershowitz’s former client Jeffrey Epstein forced her to have sex with Dershowitz when she was a minor. Dershowitz has denied the allegations, saying Giuffre is a liar and that they have never even met.
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I'm not saying Dersh is a pedo, but i'm not not saying it either
 
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