The Biden Presidency

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Gov. Mike Huckabee tweets

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President Biden’s cancellation of Keystone Pipeline destroys 14,000 union jobs but benefit Biden-supporting billionaire Warren Buffet, whose trains will move the oil instead. Proving again that Democrats hate billionaires...except THEIR billionaires.

It does not create any permanent jobs in the state, just a handful of permanent jobs. Of course, if the pipe cracks, there are clean up jobs for a few months.

The crude oil pipeline jobs would give the same jobs, if they figured out to refine the tar sands a bit. A smaller pipe carries normal crude oil, similar to motor oil in a car. As it is, the tar sands pipes are under steam and heat to keep the tar sands moving. But they crack:

http://esapolitics.blogspot.com/2017/11/tar-sands-is-petroleum-product-that-is.html

There is a video link there, I'll repeat it here:

 

[MRC_Hans]

Infrastructure is there. IF you drive a Tesla.

Depends on where you are, obviously. In Denmark, the grid of charging stations is becoming adequate (for all types), but the capacity needs to be dramatically increased as the number of EVs increases. Otherwise users are goong to find chargers occupied far too often.

Hans

 

[bruto]

Thanks, it allows me to respond to all with the following statement:

Without bipartisan support every impeachment is going to end with an acquittal, anger voters, and further divide the US.

And that's the bottom line. Makes no difference if you intend to impeach a Democrat or a Republican. Without the support of a majority of both sides it will always end the same. History proves this as indisputable. You'll need to convince History that you're correct, my opinion and whether I vote Republican or Democrat is of little consequence.

I would suggest that if the division and anger of the voters in question led them to attempt to overthrow the government on the basis of nothing, then the time has expired for them to argue that we should do nothing in return. You're making the same argument many are, that the threat of mayhem in the future is an argument for ignoring mayhem in the past. The threat may exist, but history might also be invoked to suggest that letting such things happen is not the way to achieve peace in our time.

 

[Paul2]

Thanks, it allows me to respond to all with the following statement:

Without bipartisan support every impeachment is going to end with an acquittal . . . .

The Dems will need Republican support in the senate to convict, so your statement reduces to, "You'll need enough votes to have enough votes to convict." I agree.

And that's the bottom line. Makes no difference if you intend to impeach a Democrat or a Republican. Without the support of a majority of both sides it will always end the same. History proves this as indisputable. You'll need to convince History that you're correct, my opinion and whether I vote Republican or Democrat is of little consequence.

The standard is not convincing History; the standard is convincing a future president not to do the same thing or they'll also be impeached. That's the purpose of impeachment; it's not to unite the country or to convince history.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

The standard is not convincing History; the standard is convincing a future president not to do the same thing or they'll also be impeached. That's the purpose of impeachment; it's not to unite the country or to convince history.

This. If the GOP is really concerned about setting precedent for future leaders they should be eager to throw the book at Two Scoops. They've gotten all they can out of him, now's the time to make a big show about reining in executive power to keep Democrats from making any gains until the next time they get a creature in charge.

 

[turingtest]

I'd also suggest that any conduct by a President that is so egregious that an impeachment for it would command the support of a majority of both parties might also be of a nature that would make impeachment as meaningless as the censure vote that Chris seems to favor as a solution. If Trump's conduct here isn't bad enough to warrant impeachment, what sort of conduct would be, that would also be bad enough that both parties would condemn it? A successful coup attempt? Impeachment for that would be as toothless a tut-tut as censure for this case would be. Chris's standard for impeachment would make it either impossible in any case where it might actually address a problem or meaningless where it could be used.

Yes, impeachment is political- that's its nature, to be a political solution to a political problem. And, as Stacy said, some people are going to kick up a fuss no matter how bipartisan the support for any particular case might be. But it's probably better for some people to kick up a fuss now because impeachment was used than to allow a case where nobody can because it can't be.

 

[Firestone]

Fourth day of the Biden presidency, fourth day of a Democratic senate.
What is CNN interested in? The voters that helped flip Georgia or Arizona?
Nah, boring.

Let's see what goes in rural Texas:



After Trump won the EC in 2016, US media were inundated with profiles of Trump voters.
After Trump lost the EC and the popular vote in 2020, most voter profiles on the "liberal" media (CNN, NYT) are again about Trump voters.

/rant

 

[catsmate]

No it isn't.

Given the fact that Trump did something wrong, enacting punishment is not a 'waste of taxpayer dollars'. It is justice.


Censuring is not punishment. It is just an empty statement that does nothing. It is a wagging of the finger at someone who has committed serious crimes, not something that will cause them to change their actions.

It would not prevent Trump from running again in the future.

Also stripping the Tantrump of the privileges of past presidency would actually save a lot more money than the impeachment would cost.

 

[Cavemonster]

Also stripping the Tantrump of the privileges of past presidency would actually save a lot more money than the impeachment would cost.

Psst. They don't actually care about the money.
It's actually just a mega convenient way to attack things you don't have any good arguments against.

Because almost anything government can do costs some money or time, they don't have to think of a legit sounding criticism.

If I had a nickle for every conservative who was terribly concerned about how much the Mueller investigation would cost, but didn't seem to change their opinion of it when it became clear they actually turned a substantial profit after assets seized from criminals- I could have paid for the impeachment hearings.

 

[Shalamar]

Depends on where you are, obviously. In Denmark, the grid of charging stations is becoming adequate (for all types), but the capacity needs to be dramatically increased as the number of EVs increases. Otherwise users are goong to find chargers occupied far too often.

Hans

I believe in Europe (correct me if I am wrong), Tesla uses a different connector for charging, and any EV can theoretically use the tesla Superchargers.

In North America, ONLY Teslas can use the Supercharging network.

Smartest thing Tesla did, was the Supercharge network.

 

[Paul2]

I believe in Europe (correct me if I am wrong), Tesla uses a different connector for charging, and any EV can theoretically use the tesla Superchargers.

In North America, ONLY Teslas can use the Supercharging network.

Smartest thing Tesla did, was the Supercharge network.

Teslas come with an adapter to charge with the middle-speed charger (Like a J1772 charger, which is what I have at home and charge our Tesla with overnight). I think a Tesla can also charge at the "drip" level, off a regular household outlet, I forget how the adapters work for that, though, we haven't ever done that.

 

[Aridas]

Fourth day of the Biden presidency, fourth day of a Democratic senate.
What is CNN interested in? The voters that helped flip Georgia or Arizona?
Nah, boring.

Let's see what goes in rural Texas:

View attachment 44039

After Trump won the EC in 2016, US media were inundated with profiles of Trump voters.
After Trump lost the EC and the popular vote in 2020, most voter profiles on the "liberal" media (CNN, NYT) are again about Trump voters.

/rant

Truly shocking. Seriously though, the amount of coverage granted to the "forgotten" GOP rural voters is a bit incredible. It's to the point where I find myself pondering the chicken and the egg issue with relation to the narrative that they're forgotten. It's actually much more of a surprise to see interviews of Biden voters on whether Trump should be held accountable for his actions or, say, interviews of people waiting in those absurdly long food lines.

 

[Shalamar]

Teslas come with an adapter to charge with the middle-speed charger (Like a J1772 charger, which is what I have at home and charge our Tesla with overnight). I think a Tesla can also charge at the "drip" level, off a regular household outlet, I forget how the adapters work for that, though, we haven't ever done that.

Correct. My tesla came with a standard outlet charger (charges V E R Y slowly), and a J1772 adapter. However, while Tesla can charge at non Tesla chargers, Only Teslas can use the Tesla charging stations.

 

[Garrison]

This week's Opening Arguments podcast went through the 19 actions Biden carried out on his first day as president. The conclusion is that if it's any indication of the direction of his presidency, then people who were worried that he wasn't far enough to the left have nothing to worry about.

And Bernie is in charge of the Budget Committee, I think the Republicans are going to find that supporting Trump cost them more than they gained, which is part the course for those who worked with Trump.

 

[smartcooky]

I would suggest that if the division and anger of the voters in question led them to attempt to overthrow the government on the basis of nothing, then the time has expired for them to argue that we should do nothing in return. You're making the same argument many are, that the threat of mayhem in the future is an argument for ignoring mayhem in the past. The threat may exist, but history might also be invoked to suggest that letting such things happen is not the way to achieve peace in our time.

Yup, 100%

The argument that you should not charge and convict a criminal because its devisive and might anger all the other criminals who might be provoked into going out criminaling some more, is not an argument, its just stupidity.

I'm all for narrowing the divide between left and right, but before there can be a reconciliation, there must first be a reckoning!

 

[turingtest]

Fourth day of the Biden presidency, fourth day of a Democratic senate.
What is CNN interested in? The voters that helped flip Georgia or Arizona?
Nah, boring.

Let's see what goes in rural Texas:

View attachment 44039

After Trump won the EC in 2016, US media were inundated with profiles of Trump voters.
After Trump lost the EC and the popular vote in 2020, most voter profiles on the "liberal" media (CNN, NYT) are again about Trump voters.

/rant

Love that scrawl too- "Loyal Texas Trump voters want Biden to be less divisive." Do those Texans live in another reality? One where the guy they're "loyal" to, who lost the election and then spent two months doing everything he could think of to steal it back, is somehow not a cause of the divisiveness, but the guy who fairly won is? I'm sure that they don't like Biden's agenda, but he has as much right by his victory to try to enact it as Trump did by his in 2016; to call that somehow too "divisive" is just to pretend that elections can only properly have consequences when it's your side that wins them.

 

[Stacyhs]

Love that scrawl too- "Loyal Texas Trump voters want Biden to be less divisive." Do those Texans live in another reality? One where the guy they're "loyal" to, who lost the election and then spent two months doing everything he could think of to steal it back, is somehow not a cause of the divisiveness, but the guy who fairly won is? I'm sure that they don't like Biden's agenda, but he has as much right by his victory to try to enact it as Trump did by his in 2016; to call that somehow too "divisive" is just to pretend that elections can only properly have consequences when it's your side that wins them.

Yes, because it's not normal politics: it's a cult.

 

[catsmate]

Psst. They don't actually care about the money.
It's actually just a mega convenient way to attack things you don't have any good arguments against.

Because almost anything government can do costs some money or time, they don't have to think of a legit sounding criticism.

If I had a nickle for every conservative who was terribly concerned about how much the Mueller investigation would cost, but didn't seem to change their opinion of it when it became clear they actually turned a substantial profit after assets seized from criminals- I could have paid for the impeachment hearings.

Oh I know that, I was just pointing out their continued hypocrisy.

 

[Delvo]

This week's Opening Arguments podcast went through the 19 actions Biden carried out on his first day as president.

I'm not on any podcast websites (and I'm not even sure I could name more than one or two of them if I took the time to try). I found their YouTube channel but this episode isn't on it. What are the 19 points?

The conclusion is that if it's any indication of the direction of his presidency, then people who were worried that he wasn't far enough to the left have nothing to worry about.

The latest things I know of are that he wants the Senate to keep the filibuster (in other words he wants Democrats to sabotage their own "majority" so they can't get anything done) and that he's trying to make health care worse with a policy that copies & pastes from documents written by insurance companies and shovels lots of our money at them (particularly the ones that paid him a lot during the campaign). Those 19 points he did better on would need to be doozies.

 

[smartcooky]

The latest things I know of are that he wants the Senate to keep the filibuster (in other words he wants Democrats to sabotage their own "majority" so they can't get anything done) and that he's trying to make health care worse with a policy that copies & pastes from documents written by insurance companies and shovels lots of our money at them (particularly the ones that paid him a lot during the campaign). Those 19 points he did better on would need to be doozies.

For mine, I think he will keep the filibuster, and give the Rs every opportunity to act in good faith. However, if they start trying to stonewall his agenda, that will give him the high ground and the moral authority to nuke'm, and I think he will!