The Biden Presidency

[CapelDodger]

Political, they need him to not be a candidate.

Who are this "they" you speak of?

I think you know why ...

"They" are by nature disingenuous, I've picked that up.

... and it has nothing to do with a riot at the Capitol building.

Well it wouldn't be, it would be about Biden not having him run in 2024 which is where your eye appears to be fixed. Have you so quickly forgotten that Biden and Harris are about to send Antifa into the suburbs to destroy their culture? Forget the loser, what are you going to do about that?

 

[Paul2]

When a majority of both parties agree to impeach, then the process should begin. Otherwise, you're going to have impeachments at the drop of a hat for purely political purposes.

Not because of the Democrats. It’ll be Repubs who try to impeach for no reason. The Dems have not done that with Trump. They are doing what the Consitution calls for, and what reason requires.

 

[Paul2]

I’d like to praise the collective wisdom of folks here by highlighting all the responses to ChrisBFRPRKY’s ideas by just listing the responses to Chris, all together, and check out all the different points that we raised:

Because the last time Trump ran and lost, he sent a ******* murderous mob to break into the Capitol building. and that's like... not good?

Do you really not understand that that's a bad thing?

So now it's a majority of both parties. Earlier you said they should only impeach when there was just "bipartisan support". Where will that goalpost be moved next?

Its not about not running against Biden in 2024, its about preventing Trump, an openly corrupt, dishonest, serial liar and failed businessman from ever holding any office ever.

Whether Trump was impeached was not up to Biden. He left that up to the House. Whether Trump runs again is not up to Biden. That is up to the Senate. If the Senate acquits Trump and he is free to run again, whether he does run again is not up to Biden. That is up to Trump. If Trump does decide to run again, whether he becomes the nominee is not up to Biden. That is up to the Republican voters. If the Republican voters are that stupid again, then God help us all.

It is not about what biden wants. it is about ensuring that an individual is punished for whatever wrong-doing he engages in....

Not to mention that "a majority of both parties" agreeing to impeach as a condition for just beginning the process is kind of oxymoronic, since that would mean the process is over, he has been impeached. It only takes a majority vote in the House to impeach, so one party having that majority can do it; but if the majority of both parties agree to impeach, then, damn, he's a done tom turkey.

Anyway...you shouldn't need as a prerequisite for beginning a process something that would, by definition, be the end of it.

Not surprisingly, you off base here. Impeachment does not come once a consensus has been reached. No, impeachment is analogous to an indictment for us ordinary folk; it means a finding that under the terms of the constitution that there is a basis for charging the president with one or more crimes. IOW, an impeachment is a accusation of presidential misconduct. That impeachment then goes to the Senate where a trial is conducted to find out if a majority of Senators find that the accusation has merit. Note also that such a determination is not dependent on bipartisan support; such a condition is completely irrelevant when it comes to a decision by the Senate.

Good job, all.

 

[Minoosh]

Yes, we should be opening elementary schools up ASAP. In facts its really the first thing besides healthcare that should be back to some form of normalcy. There was a story here a few weeks ago, and yeah the local press can exaggerate, but many kids have simply gone missing. They aren't getting any sort of education, and are probably just being left to their own devices. The amount of neglectful and abusive parents here is shocking. I've heard stories from social workers. Leaving small children with them all day is troubling. The benefits of them going back to school almost certainly outweigh the costs. Once teachers are vaccinated that is.

Getting them open in 100 days may be awkward as it will be the end of May, traditionally the close of school for summer vacation. If it's safe, summer could be made simply another quarter and that's fine, kids are back in the system in May with school breakfast and lunch programs and such services.

 

[bruto]

Why would Biden not want to run against Trump in 2024? He's the most popular elected President in the history of the United States. Don't undersell your boy.

Maybe because the first time the most popular elected President in history won, his opponent attacked with storms of lies and and promoted a murderously violent attempt to overthrow the election? I can't imagine any sane politician wanting to repeat that fiasco.

e.t.a. I guess I'm a little late on that. I'll just step back into the line.

 

[Aridas]

I'm in favor of those, with the possible exception of court packing, because once you start doing that, both parties will use it, and I fear that it won't stop until we have hundreds of Supreme Court justices.

To poke at this... I would say that your position is understandable, but the argument itself is significantly weakened by the simple fact that the GOP has been engaging in effectively the same thing as court packing for the last decade after they decided to break the rules and norms that were being followed before then in a blatant power grab - and have repeatedly demonstrated on a state level that they're very willing to engage in outright changing the size of the courts to add more of their favored judges, at last check. Seemingly, the only paths forward, then, are to just roll over (which would be entirely expectable from the Democratic Party), strike back righteously, or push hard for a more "fair" reform that might buy some time before the GOP/corporatists manage to corrupt it.

Wanna give the real deal a try? This guy is a super smart physicist and completely brainwashed.



https://motls.blogspot.com/2021/01/parasites-retards-scum-terrorists.html

I'm reminded of this comic.

The GOP's denialism toward Global warming is incredible. I don't get why;most of the big corporations can see the handwriting on the wall and are moving towards renewable energy. Holdouts are the companies in the fossil fuel business,and even some of them are beginning to divesity
It'sot just a case of doing what business wants;it has developed a life ot it's own.

As has been noted, the GOP is serving business interests, but yes, not just businesses in general. The fossil fuel industries have courted them quite strongly, in particular, and the climate change denial/mitigation/can't do anything about it has been an almost foundational plank of Republican propaganda for many decades now, which means that it's really well ingrained in the GOP's alternative reality worldview.

Even worse, the vast majority of the Republicans in the Senate privately knew that he was guilty (they confessed this to their Democrat colleagues) but they were too afraid to vote that way because they knew they risked being primaried by Trump supporters next time they were up for election. Only one Senator had the courage to vote his convictions... Mitt Romney.

Trump was so obviously guilty that if the Senate trial had been a jury trial in a court, the jury would very likely have been out for less than an hour before coming back with a unanimous guilty verdict

I think I'll add to that. As I recall, a number of the Republicans publicly stated that they knew he was guilty AND that what Trump did was very bad - it was just that him being so obviously guilty wasn't sufficient reason to get them to vote to remove him. Susan Collins was rather famous for suggesting that she thought that Trump had learned his lesson (*snerk*). Either way, an impeachment is not a criminal trial, after all, much as it would have effectively been necessary (for dumb reasons) to allow a timely criminal trial there.

Meaningful tit for tat would be to say "If you impeach my guy for his crimes, I'll impeach yours for his." It is not, as some seem to think, "If you impeach my guy for his crimes, I'll impeach yours for whatever idiotic reason I like." That's not tit for tat, that's blackmail, not only shamefully wrong but shamefully stupid.

Sorta reminds me of an old quote that went something like "If the Republicans would stop lying about Democrats, we Democrats might stop telling the truth about Republicans."

Yeah, that's pretty obvious- like most Trump supporters I've known (and living in Mississippi, that's quite a few), you don't know anything more than what you want to know. The information's out there, but it's up to you to look at it.

Not just "out there" all too frequently. "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink." comes to mind.

Even if Trump runs in 2024 and loses again, there is a possibility that he might pull the same stunt... make veiled calls to engage in violence, target the media or democratic politicians.

Very, very high probability, rather. It's pretty much part of his MO.

 

[Bubba]

Syrians are so-o-o excited to be bombed by gender-fluid supporters of Black Lives Matter.

With 1/3 of his cabinet from hte weapons industry and Iraq-War neocons on board, Joe Biden says the US is "back in the game".
They were back in Syria on Inauguration Day.
So enlightened.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

I’d like to praise the collective wisdom of folks here by highlighting all the responses to ChrisBFRPRKY’s ideas by just listing the responses to Chris, all together, and check out all the different points that we raised:

Good job, all.

Thanks, it allows me to respond to all with the following statement:

Without bipartisan support every impeachment is going to end with an acquittal, anger voters, and further divide the US.

And that's the bottom line. Makes no difference if you intend to impeach a Democrat or a Republican. Without the support of a majority of both sides it will always end the same. History proves this as indisputable. You'll need to convince History that you're correct, my opinion and whether I vote Republican or Democrat is of little consequence.

 

[dirtywick]

this impeachment has bipartisan support.

that said, the recent history of the party that voted to acquit without bipartisan support later went on to lose the senate and presidency. I think sweeping judgements based on the history of impeachment are tough since the history is so short.

 

[Stacyhs]

Thanks, it allows me to respond to all with the following statement:

Without bipartisan support every impeachment is going to end with an acquittal, anger voters, and further divide the US.

And that's the bottom line. Makes no difference if you intend to impeach a Democrat or a Republican. Without the support of a majority of both sides it will always end the same. History proves this as indisputable. You'll need to convince History that you're correct, my opinion and whether I vote Republican or Democrat is of little consequence.

Highlight 1: This impeachment has bipartisan support as has been pointed out to you numerous times, including the support of the Mitch McConnell.

Highlight 2: The majority of both sides is not needed to convict. Only 17 Republican votes will be need to convict Trump.

Any impeachment, even one supported by a majority in both parties and ending in a conviction, will anger voters and further divide the US. That's because there will always be voters who do not agree with the outcome.

 

[Bubba]

Ridiculous Impeach #2...only because Swamp fears his return

 

[Stacyhs]

Ridiculous Impeach #2...only because Swamp fears his return

You're right, Bubba. His return is feared. But not for the reasons you think.

 

[acbytesla]

Thanks, it allows me to respond to all with the following statement:

Without bipartisan support every impeachment is going to end with an acquittal, anger voters, and further divide the US.

And that's the bottom line. Makes no difference if you intend to impeach a Democrat or a Republican. Without the support of a majority of both sides it will always end the same. History proves this as indisputable. You'll need to convince History that you're correct, my opinion and whether I vote Republican or Democrat is of little consequence.

Nonsense. The country is divided and Trump and his minions staged a coup. You either stand for democracy and a peaceful transfer of power or you don't. The reality is the GOP doesn't want to stand for anything but holding power. God forbid that rich white people be held accountable. That's only for the poor and people of color.

It's divisive to force them to actually stand for American principles. They would rather just talk about them without standing for them. Principles only are meaningful when you hold to them when they are inconvenient.

 

[Aridas]

Ridiculous Impeach #2...

Maybe. A criminal trial for sedition, among so many other things, is likely more indicated, now that he's actually out.

only because Swamp fears his return

Up is Down, eh?

What, exactly, do you think is referred to by the Swamp, though? Going by normal usage, the only reason that the Swamp might fear his return is because he threatens to keep making it the foulness ever more concentrated and widespread, and replacing the bad with increasingly more corrupt lackeys.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

This week's Opening Arguments podcast went through the 19 actions Biden carried out on his first day as president. The conclusion is that if it's any indication of the direction of his presidency, then people who were worried that he wasn't far enough to the left have nothing to worry about.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Trump fans, being the anti-patriots that they are, want nothing more than Biden to fail, especially if it is in a way that obviously damaged the US and causes more avoidable deaths.
Making Trump look good in comparison is all that matters, America be damned.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Trump fans, being the anti-patriots that they are, want nothing more than Biden to fail, especially if it is in a way that obviously damaged the US and causes more avoidable deaths.

I've already seen calls to impeach Biden over the people who died of coronavirus on inauguration day.

 

[Pixel42]

If boring, inoffensive Joe Biden is "one of the very worst human beings in the entire population", what does that make Trump?

 

[Aridas]

If boring, inoffensive Joe Biden is "one of the very worst human beings in the entire population", what does that make Trump?

One of the "very fine people," no doubt.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Gov. Mike Huckabee tweets

@GovMikeHuckabee
President Biden’s cancellation of Keystone Pipeline destroys 14,000 union jobs but benefit Biden-supporting billionaire Warren Buffet, whose trains will move the oil instead. Proving again that Democrats hate billionaires...except THEIR billionaires.