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The Biden Presidency

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SuburbanTurkey said:
Border enforcement is 100% at the discretion of the executive. This is something Biden could have mandated with an executive order. You may have noticed he issued many of them yesterday.

Biden isn't still trying to find the bathroom and learn how to use the photocopier. His team has been preparing for months for this moment. The lack of action here is a deliberate choice.
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Yeah but he can't do EVERYTHING in the first day, even executive orders an no matter what he hadn't got around to, you'd be screaming about how that should have been a top priority for him.

Because you want him to fail. You'll bluster and act all faux-shocked, but that all it is. You didn't get your Progressive uprising, so you don't want Biden to succeed.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Yeah but he can't do EVERYTHING in the first day, even executive orders an no matter what he hadn't got around to, you'd be screaming about how that should have been a top priority for him.

Because you want him to fail. You'll bluster and act all faux-shocked, but that all it is. You didn't get your Progressive uprising, so you don't want Biden to succeed.
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I think you and I have different criteria for what constitutes failure.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Kids in cages was a major rallying cry of not just leftists, but liberals, during the Trump years.

Does it not matter anymore? What changed?
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There were a lot of major rallying cries. They can't all be dealt with at once.

But you know this. You're just going to pick whatever he hasn't gotten around to yet and do the same thing the Trumpers are doing. "OH LOOKIT MR HIGH AND MIGHTY BIDEN NOT FIXING EVERYTHING!"

Because you have the exact same incredibly toxic personality when it comes to politics as they do, regardless of the direction it is coming from.
 
JoeMorgue said:
There were a lot of major rallying cries. They can't all be dealt with at once.

But you know this. You're just going to pick whatever he hasn't gotten around to yet and do the same thing the Trumpers are doing. "OH LOOKIT MR HIGH AND MIGHTY BIDEN NOT FIXING EVERYTHING!"

Because you have the exact same incredibly toxic personality when it comes to politics as they do, regardless of the direction it is coming from.
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If Biden comes up with something to address this issue in the coming weeks/months, I will concede I was premature in this criticism.

I very much doubt this is the case.

Despite all the moral outrage during the Trump years, immigration remains a tricky and politically difficult issue. I very much suspect that Biden would rather not wade into the issue and just allow the status quo to continue, more or less, and just hope that it remains out of sight and mind.

Trump made it a hot button issue by being so overtly racist and brutal about it. Without the PR stunts, it can return to being a back burner issue.

The Democrats are very much like the Republicans screeching about Obamacare when it comes to immigration. They talk a big game when they aren't in power, but have no ideas how to deal with the problem once they are in power.
 
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Steve said:
So Cruz thinks the Paris accord is all about the citizens Paris?
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Of course he doesn't.

An ignorant
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Not really

Trump level tweet without question,
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true

aimed at ignorant people,
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Bingo

I'll remind you all again:
Cruz was a national debate champion in college. Therefore, he is very effectively able to argue any position he chooses to argue, regardless of whether he believes it.

Nothing Cruz says has anything to do with what he "thinks," it's all about rhetoric.
 
Given the complete lack of aid with transition by the Trump administration, it is certain that there was no ability to assess what the full border situation was. I'd rather they resolve the kids in cages issue with an actual plan rather than flinging open the doors and telling the little scamps to just run out into the open desert.

Maybe the idea of thinking the solution through might not be a bad idea?
 
Spektator said:
Hannity criticized President Biden's warning that gaining control over the runaway Covid-19 epidemic through organizing and implementing a massive vaccination program will take months. Hannity countered with a witless "I thought he was going to do this on day one." He did not bother to observe that other than lie and boast about developing the vaccines (which he did not do), Trump did nothing to implement a nationally-organized vaccination program, leaving the states to scramble to do something that they did not expect to have to do.
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And lying to them about vaccine stocks, all the best logistical plans are based on lies after all.
 
ponderingturtle said:
And lying to them about vaccine stocks, all the best logistical plans are based on lies after all.
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I know my state had put out a tentative vaccine schedule that was based on the idea of a large national supply. I presume this means the whole thing is going to be significantly delayed.


I'm not seeing much about this yet, it's probably too soon for good analysis. But it seems likely that mass vaccination is going to be significantly delayed.

What should Biden do? Any plan he had was probably predicated on the Trump admin's lies about a national stockpile and plan.

Continue allowing businesses to remain open and the majority of people still going to work and school? Seems like the past year has proven that these half-measure shutdowns don't work.
 
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Dragon said:
A tweet so stupid it cold have been written by Trump himself. So is Lyin' Ted really making a play to take over the tarnished crown of Deplorable-in-Chief?
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It does plagiarize a Trump lie, that’s why it sounds so familiar.

Also, Ted is the guy who cares so much about PA that he tried to disenfranchise the entire state.

Crocodiles are going to go extinct if the next four years is going to have so many GOPers shedding their tears.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Trump also ruffled a few feathers too. His tariffs on steel and aluminum were not received well, yet Canadian steel and aluminum were still marketed in the US.

Biden's move means Canadian oil sands are not going to be "tariffed" but instead "rejected completely" as besides a pipeline there is no other way to transport them that would be economically feasible.

Difficulties in trade may be forthcoming. For now we only see the tar sands rejection as the first. Hopefully it will be the last.
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You really think there are no current ways for Canadian oil to go from Canada to the US without this pipeline? Bless your heart.
 
JoeMorgue said:
There were a lot of major rallying cries. They can't all be dealt with at once.

But you know this. You're just going to pick whatever he hasn't gotten around to yet and do the same thing the Trumpers are doing. "OH LOOKIT MR HIGH AND MIGHTY BIDEN NOT FIXING EVERYTHING!"

Because you have the exact same incredibly toxic personality when it comes to politics as they do, regardless of the direction it is coming from.
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For the sake of argument, let's say you're right that I'm being far too quick to judge out of personal malice or whatever.

At what point do the kids in cages become Joe's problem? How long can nothing substantial be done before you would consider it Joe's decision to keep it that way?

Weeks, months? Longer?
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
For the sake of argument, let's say you're right that I'm being far too quick to judge out of personal malice or whatever.

At what point do the kids in cages become Joe's problem? How long can nothing substantial be done before you would consider it Joe's decision to keep it that way?

Weeks, months? Longer?
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Do you legitimately believe that Biden has not intention of attempting to clean up Trump's border policy mess?
 
Cavemonster said:
Do you legitimately believe that Biden has not intention of attempting to clean up Trump's border policy mess?
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Talk is cheap is what I think.

Trump's border policy was exceptionally cruel and barbaric, but a return to Obama era policies is not what I'd call a victory.

I ask you the same question. How long before it's Biden's policy and not just Trump's?
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Talk is cheap is what I think.

Trump's border policy was exceptionally cruel and barbaric, but a return to Obama era policies is not what I'd call a victory.

I ask you the same question. How long before it's Biden's policy and not just Trump's?
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Stopping things can be more complex than starting them.

In a way you could say that Guantanamo and the wars in the middle east were as much Obama's policies as Bush's because he didn't end them. But ending them once they were in place was a much different task than choosing not to start them. Pulling out of Afghanistan on Obama's first day would have been a disaster. You can fault him for the way he handled it, but going back to before the wars started was not an option on the table.

I'd say the policy of how new asylum seeking or undocumented arrivals are treated becomes Biden's policy pretty quickly. But not instantly. Dude has more on his plate than any president since FDR. I'll wait until at least we've got most of the major positions of government staffed and confirmed before I determine that any continuing policy is the policy this administration wants in place as opposed to something they haven't been able to change yet.

You point to EOs to show that things can be changed instantly, but not all change is the same. "Reverse that EO" or "Deny that pipeline" are more straightforward calls. Immigration policy tends to be a place where the answer is finding the least bad of the bad options.
 
Cavemonster said:
Stopping things can be more complex than starting them.

In a way you could say that Guantanamo and the wars in the middle east were as much Obama's policies as Bush's because he didn't end them. But ending them once they were in place was a much different task than choosing not to start them. Pulling out of Afghanistan on Obama's first day would have been a disaster. You can fault him for the way he handled it, but going back to before the wars started was not an option on the table.

I'd say the policy of how new asylum seeking or undocumented arrivals are treated becomes Biden's policy pretty quickly. But not instantly. Dude has more on his plate than any president since FDR. I'll wait until at least we've got most of the major positions of government staffed and confirmed before I determine that any continuing policy is the policy this administration wants in place as opposed to something they haven't been able to change yet.

You point to EOs to show that things can be changed instantly, but not all change is the same. "Reverse that EO" or "Deny that pipeline" are more straightforward calls. Immigration policy tends to be a place where the answer is finding the least bad of the bad options.
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Sure, I understand that. But take the Afghanistan war example. Sure, no pullout on day 1. But after 8 years, you kinda have to admit that Obama isn't anti-Afghanistan war. After a certain point, it was his baby. Where exactly that is is hard to say. The same is true for Biden, both on the endless Afghanistan war and for the situation at the border.

Your point is taken nonetheless. How long before "give him some time" is no longer a reasonable excuse?

I would also quibble that the first few days, weeks, months of the new Administration are often seen as the most ripe for big actions. Realistically, there are only 2 years before the next election that might take away the ability of the Democrats to do anything. Anything controversial should be done sooner rather than later, in order to not needlessly injure congressional election chances.

If something is going to be done about our massive, intractable immigration problem, now is the chance, not later.
 
I just read that the detainment centers are all closed now. And right-wingers are screaming that one of the executive orders already has millions of illegal aliens crossing the border.
 
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