Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

Brainster said:
Obvious question: Would Antifa have done that if they could have? I know that some here think I'm minimalizing the riot at the capitol, but from my standpoint, comparing the Trump loonies to the antifa-tards is caustic criticism.
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I don't see why they would. Antifa is not political. They are anti-fascist. When fascists hit the street, antifa hits the fascists. As far as I can tell, they have no political objectives beyond 6that.

Or do you mean the summer rioters? Some antifa would be in there too, what with the whole cops-killing-people thing being kinda fascist. But not as antifa, if you take my meaning. Just as protesters with an intersectional target.
 
Ziggurat said:
Powell hasn't endorsed a single Republican candidate in well over a decade. He hasn't been a Republican in a very long time. The only news is that he finally stopped pretending, but everyone already knew.
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It's good to know that Republicanism is curable.


BTW welcome back, we thought you were dead or in jail given your uncharacteristic absence.
 
Ziggurat said:
Powell hasn't endorsed a single Republican candidate in well over a decade. He hasn't been a Republican in a very long time. The only news is that he finally stopped pretending, but everyone already knew.
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He didn't move away from the Republican party, the Republican party moved away from him.
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
There have been BLM protests there already. That opportunity has already been presented, with no attempt made to assault the government (and accompanied by an actual police presence, unlike the ralliot) that also didn't harm any officers. Also unlike the ralliot.
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How about the 50+ secret service agents who were injured during the antifa/BLM riots at the White House this summer. The same riots that involved multiple fires, Molotov cocktails, fireworks, bricks and glass bottles that were used against law enforcement? I seem to recall one of those involving the Secret Service forcing the president into an underground bunker at the White House to which members on this board celebrated. Or do those riots not count for reasons?
 
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Bogative said:
How about the 50+ secret service agents who were injured during the antifa/BLM riots at the White House this summer. The same riots that involved multiple fires, Molotov cocktails, fireworks, bricks and glass bottles that were used against law enforcement? I seem to recall one of those involving the Secret Service forcing the president into an underground bunker at the White House to which members on this board celebrated. Or do those riots not count for reasons?
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How many died?
 
Are you dismissing insurrection at the White House because those who attempted it are too incompetent to have killed someone during their failed attempt or because you are possibly sympathetic to the cause?
 
Bogative said:
Are you dismissing insurrection at the White House because those who attempted it are too incompetent to have killed someone during their failed attempt or because you are possibly sympathetic to the cause?
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I humbly suggest that the motivations of the riot crowds are very different. Right wingers are much more explicit about "watering the tree of liberty" in their rhetoric, and it's no coincidence that their events are focused on causing personal injury.
 
The sad part about what you said is you actually believe it.

You must have forgotten about all of the law enforcement officers who were shot/at injured and/or killed this summer during BLM/antifa riots, or did you willfully ignore what your team was doing?

Here’s a short list, pay attention:

Cincinnati police officer struck by bullet in his tactical helmet during protests.
Davenport police officer sent to hospital after someone opened fire on his patrol car.
Las Vegas officer on life-support after being shot in the head.
Lynchburg officers shot at during protests.
Minnesota police officers shot at during protest.
Oakland police officer shot and killed during protest.


That’s just a short list of the over 2000 police officers who were shot/at, killed and injured in the first 10 weeks. Hundreds more were hit with fire extinguishers, trashcan lids, baseball bats, cars, bricks, bottles etc.
So spare me you’re ignorant revisionist history, I’m not falling for it.
 
Bogative said:
The sad part about what you said is you actually believe it.

You must have forgotten about all of the law enforcement officers who were shot/at injured and/or killed this summer during BLM/antifa riots, or did you willfully ignore what your team was doing?

Here’s a short list, pay attention:

Cincinnati police officer struck by bullet in his tactical helmet during protests.
Davenport police officer sent to hospital after someone opened fire on his patrol car.
Las Vegas officer on life-support after being shot in the head.
Lynchburg officers shot at during protests.
Minnesota police officers shot at during protest.
Oakland police officer shot and killed during protest.


That’s just a short list of the over 2000 police officers who were shot/at, killed and injured in the first 10 weeks. Hundreds more were hit with fire extinguishers, trashcan lids, baseball bats, cars, bricks, bottles etc.
So spare me you’re ignorant revisionist history, I’m not falling for it.
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The only fatality you list was the Oakland cop, who was shot by a right wing Boogaloo boy who was trying to accelerate civil war.
 
Just to be absolutely clear to the perpetually confused here:
I think the insurrection and terrorist attack at the capitol is a much bigger deal than the Portland riots.
I think our biggest terrorist risk is domestic right-wingers. I think we have a very serious problem with these radicalized people infiltrating our police forces and military.

This thread began BEFORE the insurrection at the capitol. What could I possibly say about the ongoing rioting in Portland that would not be characterized as whataboutism or false equivalency? If a doctor has a patient with heart disease and cancer, he can talk about both even if one condition is far worse than the other.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
The only fatality you list was the Oakland cop, who was shot by a right wing Boogaloo boy who was trying to accelerate civil war.
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Again, you’re dismissing the seriousness of your preferred insurrectionist because they are too incompetent to kill law enforcement when they try.
 
Mycroft said:
He didn't move away from the Republican party, the Republican party moved away from him.
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Many who find themselves at odds with former comrades say that, and not always truthfully. But true or not, it doesn't affect my previous post. Regardless of why Powell's standing as a Republican changed, the fact is that it changed long ago, and he was only pretending it hadn't.
 
Bogative said:
Are you dismissing insurrection at the White House because those who attempted it are too incompetent to have killed someone during their failed attempt or because you are possibly sympathetic to the cause?
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Where was the 'insurrection'?
 
Bogative said:
Are you dismissing insurrection at the White House because those who attempted it are too incompetent to have killed someone during their failed attempt or because you are possibly sympathetic to the cause?
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I am definitely sympathetic to the cause of equal rights.

I am absolutely not sympathetic to seditionists who wanted to overturn an election they didn't like.

Now tell me why I'm wrong.
 
Ziggurat said:
Many who find themselves at odds with former comrades say that, and not always truthfully. But true or not, it doesn't affect my previous post. Regardless of why Powell's standing as a Republican changed, the fact is that it changed long ago, and he was only pretending it hadn't.
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I grew up reading George Will and William Saffire, who taught me about a principled conservatism that I respected even if I didn't always agree with it. I often did agree with it.

Modern conservatism has nothing to do with that. It's all about hating liberals, QAnon and other conspiracy theories, xenophobia and Trumpian lies fed by a new alternative fake media of Breitbart, the Epoch Times, Newsmax, OAN and other ******** media sites.

Powell is not perfect, but he is a person worthy of respect. It's significant that with very few exceptions, modern Republicans are not.

So no, pointing this out doesn't change the truth of your post, but it does add to its context. Powell hasn't endorsed anyone not because he's changed, but because none of the modern Republicans are worth endorsing if you're a person of principle who loves the United States of America.

This is the Republican party of today:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...votes-to-impeach-trump/ar-BB1cRT26?li=BBnb7Kz

"A top Republican official in Wyoming floated the idea of seceding from the United States after a high-profile member of his party from the Cowboy State embraced the impeachment of President Trump."

Trump has changed the Republican party into a party of people who hate the United States.
 
Bogative said:
Again, you’re dismissing the seriousness of your preferred insurrectionist because they are too incompetent to kill law enforcement when they try.
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It’s like watching a small child struggle with great determination to reach the cookie jar on top of the refrigerator. He wants it so badly but does not have the ability to connect his desires to reality. You sort of pity him in his valiant but futile effort, but ultimately you just have to laugh at how adorably foolish he looks.
 
When this thread started it was all about rioting looting and vandalism by the left. 6 months later it is all about rioting looting and vandalism by the right. Seems that in the USA violence is seen as the way to get what you want. Maybe your political extremes have more in common than you realize.
 
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