Riots, looting, vandalism, etc.

Mumbles said:
Well, most of the riot gear is in the hands of Parks, National Guard, and the like, which is why Dolt 45 was able to easily find it when he wanted to attack nonviolent protestors so he could walk across the street and hold a bible upside down.

The fence thing is PortlandAtheist being confused about his own arguments that protecting property from a couple of idiots makes mass violence worthwhile. Obviously doesn't apply to a disorganized terrorist pack trying to overthrow a government, even when the people involved are just a particularly incompetent lynch mob.
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It OBVIOUSLY does apply to the disorganized terrorist attacks against our government. I support these fences 100% for such a purpose. I hope and wish each and every one of these mother ******* spends time in a prison cell. How is it that you constantly imagine and assume that I have sympathy for them? You do this over and over and over again. That is is about choosing which bullies to "side" with. I can't wait for law enforcement to warrant the cell towers, to put these ******* on no-fly lists, for them to lose their jobs, for them to be removed from social media, and to go to jail. I'm not sympathetic to them and yet you insinuate that I am over and over again.
 
johnny karate said:
Yes. Yes, you are.

Right wing terrorists are currently occupying the Capitol and you keep wanting to talk about how both sides are bad. That’s exactly how whataboutism works.
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Mumbles said:
Soundwave writes: "I denounce the behavior of Ravage and Rumble, and call on Starscream to move against them".
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Did you guys catch Joe Scarborough's epic rant on this? I'm curious if you guys would describe it as whataboutism.
So I want to know from the Capital police: is it just white people? or Donald Trump supporters?
Why do you scream at people walking across the street three blocks away from the capital. Why are you not as bad asses around the capital? But then Trump supporters come in and you OPEN THE ******* DOORS FOR THEM! YOU OPEN THE DOORS FOR THEM! AND LET THEM BREACH THE PEOPLES HOUSE! What is wrong with you!!? I also want to know, are we a nation of laws? Or are we a nation of one man? Donald J. Trump called for the insurection of the United States of America. He called for it. Rudy Guilliani called for combat justice just an hour or two before this happened. Donald Trump Jr. said "We are coming for you". That is an insurrection against the United States of America and if Donald Trump Jr. and Rudy Giuliani and Donald Trump are not arrested today for insurection and taken to jail
and booked. And if the capital hill police do not go through every video, and look at the face of every person that invaded our capital. And if they are not arrested and brought to justice today, then we are no longer a nation of laws and we can only tell people they can do this again. And guess what?! This is what I've been saying Oregon...about Portland
FOR MONTHS!!!!!! FOR MONTHS!!!!
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He also tweeted this:
"Why the Hell weren't these people who stormed the United States Capitol arrested? Is the Portland mayor running the Capitol now?"

Joe Scarborough isn't indulging in whataboutism because he isn't trying to run interference on right wing rioters.
 
portlandatheist said:
For the life of me, I do not understand why individuals get so hot and bothered by the use of fences used to protect federal buildings from attacks.
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Are there a lot of rioters in DC right now? Seems more like you're celebrating the closing of the barn door, despite there not being any horses left inside.
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
Are there a lot of rioters in DC right now? Seems more like you're celebrating the closing of the barn door, despite there not being any horses left inside.
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You're right, they should have used these fences prior to the riots. It would have helped law enforcement. As it stands now, we still have a risk of more riots on Jan. 20th so I hope they use these fences, along with more personnel and other measures, to prevent further violence and attacks. I see these fences as a relatively uncontroversial crowd control tool but read this entire thread and the use of a fence like this is in front of the Mark O. Hatfield Courthouse in Portland was absolutely infuriating to some. The fence illegally blocked a bike lane. To me, that would be like complaining about the Riot Ribs in Chapman Square: "Oh my goodness! What about Portland's zoning laws? Where are their food handler permits! Dear me oh my!" and so on. Fences are neither magic nor are they evil. They are just fences and a tool of crowd control used universally in every country for a variety of circumstances. Glad to see law enforcement make temporary use of them in our capital in a time of national crisis.
 
portlandatheist said:
You're right, they should have used these fences prior to the riots. It would have helped law enforcement. As it stands now, we still have a risk of more riots on Jan. 20th so I hope they use these fences, along with more personnel and other measures, to prevent further violence and attacks. I see these fences as a relatively uncontroversial crowd control tool but read this entire thread and the use of a fence like this is in front of the Mark O. Hatfield Courthouse in Portland was absolutely infuriating to some. The fence illegally blocked a bike lane. To me, that would be like complaining about the Riot Ribs in Chapman Square: "Oh my goodness! What about Portland's zoning laws? Where are their food handler permits! Dear me oh my!" and so on. Fences are neither magic nor are they evil. They are just fences and a tool of crowd control used universally in every country for a variety of circumstances. Glad to see law enforcement make temporary use of them in our capital in a time of national crisis.
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It is amusing to see the folks you are arguing with twist themselves into knots trying to draw a distinction between the Portland riots and what happened in DC last week, when realistically the only difference is the cause for which the rioters rioted. If it's not OK when MAGA-heads riot (and it is not), then it's not okay when antifa-tards riot either.

All the idiots who found excuses for rioting when it was done by their "side" have no credibility on this issue.
 
Brainster said:
It is amusing to see the folks you are arguing with twist themselves into knots trying to draw a distinction between the Portland riots and what happened in DC last week, when realistically the only difference is the cause for which the rioters rioted. If it's not OK when MAGA-heads riot (and it is not), then it's not okay when antifa-tards riot either.

All the idiots who found excuses for rioting when it was done by their "side" have no credibility on this issue.
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I'm pretty comfortable with the distinction. Rioting in response to police violence is good, rioting to install a fascist dictator is bad.

It's easy if you try.
 
Brainster said:
It is amusing to see the folks you are arguing with twist themselves into knots trying to draw a distinction between the Portland riots and what happened in DC last week, when realistically the only difference is the cause for which the rioters rioted. If it's not OK when MAGA-heads riot (and it is not), then it's not okay when antifa-tards riot either.

All the idiots who found excuses for rioting when it was done by their "side" have no credibility on this issue.
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What do you mean when you talk about "their side"? I thought the most recent Republican story was that the Capitol rioters were Antifa!?
 
dann said:
What do you mean when you talk about "their side"? I thought the most recent Republican story was that the Capitol rioters were Antifa!?
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It does show that they are embarrassed about it at least.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I'm pretty comfortable with the distinction. Rioting in response to police violence is good, rioting to install a fascist dictator is bad.

It's easy if you try.
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Rioting is wrong. Protesting and demonstrating is fine for whatever cause you support.
 
Brainster said:
It does show that they are embarrassed about it at least.
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no, it means they got caught and are now looking for someone else to blame.
It is literally what Republicans, the Party of Personal Responsibility, do every single time. That is why the elected Trump, who has never taken responsibility for anything.
 
portlandatheist said:
Law enforcement are surrounding the capital with the same fence types that they are using in Portland Oregon to protect the Mark O. Hatfield Courthouse. I know this is shocking and horrifying to some of you. I maintain my position that these fences, as imperfect as they are, are a useful tool to law enforcement to protect federal buildings from rioters.
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That wasn’t a riot at the Capitol. It was a coup perpetrated by right wing terrorists.

Please stop debasing your self with these pathetic false equivalencies.
 
portlandatheist said:
Did you guys catch Joe Scarborough's epic rant on this? I'm curious if you guys would describe it as whataboutism.

He also tweeted this:
"Why the Hell weren't these people who stormed the United States Capitol arrested? Is the Portland mayor running the Capitol now?"

Joe Scarborough isn't indulging in whataboutism because he isn't trying to run interference on right wing rioters.
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Is that why you’re doing it?
 
Brainster said:
It is amusing to see the folks you are arguing with twist themselves into knots trying to draw a distinction between the Portland riots and what happened in DC last week, when realistically the only difference is the cause for which the rioters rioted. If it's not OK when MAGA-heads riot (and it is not), then it's not okay when antifa-tards riot either.

All the idiots who found excuses for rioting when it was done by their "side" have no credibility on this issue.
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It wasn’t a riot. It was a violent coup perpetrated by right wing terrorists.

You’re downplaying the criminal actions of terrorists and cop killers.

We can all draw our own conclusions as to why.
 
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Brainster said:
It is amusing to see the folks you are arguing with twist themselves into knots trying to draw a distinction between the Portland riots and what happened in DC last week, when realistically the only difference is the cause for which the rioters rioted. If it's not OK when MAGA-heads riot (and it is not), then it's not okay when antifa-tards riot either.

All the idiots who found excuses for rioting when it was done by their "side" have no credibility on this issue.
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Bollocks. While it's interesting to see Trumpettes finally emerging from the holes to try and defend the indefensible, your attempt at equivalency drawing is nonsensical.
:rolleyes:
 
Brainster said:
Rioting is wrong. Protesting and demonstrating is fine for whatever cause you support.
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How about violent coup attempts and murdering cops?

How about cynical attempts to equate violent coup attempts and murdering cops with less egregious offenses to score cheap debate points?

Where do you come down on those issues, Brainster?
 
catsmate said:
Bollocks. While it's interesting to see Trumpettes finally emerging from the holes to try and defend the indefensible, your attempt at equivalency drawing is nonsensical.
:rolleyes:
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Yes, this thing is bad. But other things are also bad and all bad things are the same.

Look at me, I’m a Republican! Wheeee!!!
 
Brainster said:
It is amusing to see the folks you are arguing with twist themselves into knots trying to draw a distinction between the Portland riots and what happened in DC last week, when realistically the only difference is the cause for which the rioters rioted. If it's not OK when MAGA-heads riot (and it is not), then it's not okay when antifa-tards riot either.

All the idiots who found excuses for rioting when it was done by their "side" have no credibility on this issue.
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I get what you are saying, but disagreed. A street protest is one thing, and done by both sides. Jan 6th was an attack on an electoral count in progress in our very seat of Democracy. Antifa, BLM, and others did not smash through the White House's windows, kill a Secret Service agent by smashing a fire extinguisher on his head, and put their feet up on the desk in the Oval Office. This was different than street demonstrations.
 
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