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malbui said:
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
And I think people forget especially for online selling how thin the margins are. If you are factoring in selling internationally then it really isn't going to be worth the hassle in many cases.

I have a couple of EU suppliers that I haven't had to use this year yet but I imagine when I look into it then it may well not be worth it as no doubt they will have to increase prices.
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This week I've chatted to a couple of small business owners in my little corner of France. One is British and his business consisted of reselling goods imported from the UK: he has chosen to shut up shop and retire early. The other is a French-owned business manufacturing and selling very specific spare parts. He's decided to stop shipping to the UK and concentrate on his key markets of Germany and Italy.

But, you know, sunlit uplands and all that.
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Exactly. If I have a product or service, and my costs rise 10%, what happens if I pass those onto the customer, if my competitors don't have that 10% cost.

My sales don't fall 10%, they completely dry up.
 
More evidence of Britain failing to plan for Brexit.

UK meat exporters have claimed post-Brexit customs systems are "not fit for purpose", with goods delayed for hours, sometimes days, at the border.

The British Meat Processor Association said even experienced exporters were struggling with the system.

It said meat exports to the EU were 25% of normal levels for this time of year.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55680315

Those sunlit uplands seem a long way away from here. :(
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Unsold fish are rotting on docks, seafood companies are hitting the wall, but Jacob Rees-Mogg jokes in parliament that what matters is that fish are now ‘happier’ because they’re ‘British’
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I think this (although it's minor compared to everything else) is possibly a miscalculation.

His allies might think he looks clever when he shows contempt for political opponents, and Parliament, but showing it to his supporters is another thing.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
doesn't look like an open and shut case.
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Which is quite different from confidently stating that 'this is nothing to do with Brexit' on the basis of a line from a BBC article and no further research whatsoever.

The entire topic is 'something to do with Brexit' especially when there is an ongoing EFSA investigation into the very subject.

A lowering of food standards in the UK is absolutely inevitable. It's what the Leave Campaign were looking for. And so far we are 1/1 in approved requests to lower food standards. Despite a Tory manifesto promise that they wouldn't. What happened to the will of the people on that one?

This **** is real and it's happening and more and more is coming. And some Poundland Michael Gove wants to give it 'Well technically this is nothing to do with Brexit'. My arse it isn't. The people calling the shots now are the Brexiteer clownshoes. The ones dumb enough to simultaneously believe Brexit is a good idea and that Boris is a good PM. And we are literally dying thanks to that. And if any Farage lapdog wants to call me elitist because I think I'm not that dumb then I welcome the compliment. Their dogturd populism has blood on its hands now.

Meanwhile my business is being screwed as fresh produce sits rotting in ports or isn't even being sent to the UK anymore because suppliers don't want the hassle and risk of dealing with us. Between this and people being locked in their homes 24/7 how many small food businesses are going to have to close?

And I think back to 4 or 5 years ago when some dickhead on here thought we should leave the EU because there were limitations on vaping!
 
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jimbob said:
Exactly. If I have a product or service, and my costs rise 10%, what happens if I pass those onto the customer, if my competitors don't have that 10% cost.

My sales don't fall 10%, they completely dry up.
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Of course all the UK businesses are going to have the same 10% cost increase so it's slightly more nuanced than that but yeah the general point holds.

Of course the big guys like Tesco and Amazon will be able to absorb some of the costs by squeezing the workers even more ... good thing all those worker protections are going ... while the little guys won't.

This is how things slowly chip away one thing leads to another leads to another and when everyone is fighting over scraps then any corner gets cut.

The UK has incredibly low prices on most things compared to other countries. Possibly only the US has lower prices and even then the last time I was in the US I thought prices had risen substantially. Gone are the days when I would come back from holidays laden with things I picked up cheaper. Nowadays I can get pretty much anything online cheaper in the UK.

We are about to see that change. But we aren't about to see wages rise to compensate for it.

And it makes me sad and angry that all the good things we had here and getting thrown out the window just because some idiots hated hearing people speak Polish on the bus or wearing a hijab on the street.

Meanwhile my new book 'Brexit Britain: 1002 Things to Do with Turnips' is published next week.
 
The Don said:
More evidence of Britain failing to plan for Brexit.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55680315

Those sunlit uplands seem a long way away from here. :(
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Nobody seems to have made any effort to make them fit for purpose. Other than ads telling people to 'get ready for Brexit' I don't see any actions that would have made the processes fit for purpose. All they did was throw a load more work at the system and think that would be OK.

This is why we needed at the very least an actual transition period of about a year.
 
jimbob said:
I think this (although it's minor compared to everything else) is possibly a miscalculation.

His allies might think he looks clever when he shows contempt for political opponents, and Parliament, but showing it to his supporters is another thing.
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I honestly don't know. I for the life of me cannot work out what anyone sees in JRM or why anyone would look at him and think 'there's a man that I would like to see in charge of things'

He's a cartoon villain. Surely even a Brexiteer can summon up the power of his last half-functioning braincell and look at him and think 'what a ******'

That being the case I cannot think of anything he could do that would be worse than he already has done that would see him lose support from whoever the hell it is that thinks he's great - convert to Islam? rape a child live on a podcast?
 
Truck drivers are going to be charged £50 an hour by HMRC for waiting at 'inland border facilities' while they await customs clearance in an attempt to reduce queues and congestion.
Also if the 24 hour Kent road permit time is exceeded the driver is fined £300
 
Scotland hasn't autorised the use of the bee killer.

Ben Macpherson MSP Minister for Rural Affairs and the Natural Environment statement

To be clear, this pesticide product was not authorised for use in Scotland. We take the use of chemicals very seriously and our position on the use of neonicotinoids and other pesticides continues to be driven by science.
In response to the evidence of their effect on the environment, the Scottish Government supported the EU decision in 2018 to restrict the outdoor use of three neonicotinoid insecticides.
The then UK Environment Secretary, Michael Gove, agreed that the risk to our environment, particularly to bees and other pollinators, was such that restrictions were necessary.
However, on 8 January 2021, the UK Government announced that it had authorised a pesticide product containing one of these neonicotinoids for use on sugar beet seed in counties of Eastern England. To reiterate, this pesticide product is not authorised for use in Scotland.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Of course all the UK businesses are going to have the same 10% cost increase so it's slightly more nuanced than that but yeah the general point holds.

Of course the big guys like Tesco and Amazon will be able to absorb some of the costs by squeezing the workers even more ... good thing all those worker protections are going ... while the little guys won't.

This is how things slowly chip away one thing leads to another leads to another and when everyone is fighting over scraps then any corner gets cut.

The UK has incredibly low prices on most things compared to other countries. Possibly only the US has lower prices and even then the last time I was in the US I thought prices had risen substantially. Gone are the days when I would come back from holidays laden with things I picked up cheaper. Nowadays I can get pretty much anything online cheaper in the UK.

We are about to see that change. But we aren't about to see wages rise to compensate for it.

And it makes me sad and angry that all the good things we had here and getting thrown out the window just because some idiots hated hearing people speak Polish on the bus or wearing a hijab on the street.

Meanwhile my new book 'Brexit Britain: 1002 Things to Do with Turnips' is published next week.
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I was thinking about exporters. Especially as raw material imports from the EU will *also* get more expensive due to delays etc.

And that delays are probably more costly than tariffs.


Archie Gemmill Goal said:
I honestly don't know. I for the life of me cannot work out what anyone sees in JRM or why anyone would look at him and think 'there's a man that I would like to see in charge of things'

He's a cartoon villain. Surely even a Brexiteer can summon up the power of his last half-functioning braincell and look at him and think 'what a ******'

That being the case I cannot think of anything he could do that would be worse than he already has done that would see him lose support from whoever the hell it is that thinks he's great - convert to Islam? rape a child live on a podcast?
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The thing is that until now, he'd been mocking Remainers, which plays well with his base. Mocking the fishing industry is mocking his base. And he made it very clear that he thinks it's a jolly jape.

But, no, I can't imagine how North East Somerset Constituency party thought he was their best candidate, nor how the voters agreed with them.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Nobody seems to have made any effort to make them fit for purpose. Other than ads telling people to 'get ready for Brexit' I don't see any actions that would have made the processes fit for purpose. All they did was throw a load more work at the system and think that would be OK.
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That would require competence, a willingness to think, work and act on expert advice and admitting that Brexit had flaws. Not likely traits of the cretins that the Brexiteers and their fellow travellers elected.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Truck drivers are going to be charged £50 an hour by HMRC for waiting at 'inland border facilities' while they await customs clearance in an attempt to reduce queues and congestion.
Also if the 24 hour Kent road permit time is exceeded the driver is fined £300
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Great plan. There won't be any queues if nobody bothers importing or exporting anything! :rolleyes:
 
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