Cont: Brexit: Now What? The Perfect 10.

[Darat]

Clearly he knows for a fact the fish are happier because he talked to them personally.

Perhaps he’s getting confused by his fan mail written in green ink that says he should be sleeping with the fish?

 

[lomiller]

"Downing Street has said Boris Johnson maintains confidence in the fisheries minister after she admitted not reading the post-Brexit trade deal with Brussels when it was agreed because she was busy organising a nativity trail."

linky

ffs

When asked if the PM had read the deal himself his office said he's "fully aware of its contents", not "yes he's read it". If he doesn't think he needs to read it why would he think anyone else needs to?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-live-boris-johnson-deal-update-b1787110.html

 

[Jack by the hedge]

It's my contention that the claim this is 'nothing to do with Brexit' is nonsense.

I think you're probably wrong about this one.

Here's the Guardian's report:
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...d-kill-bees-authorised-use-england-eu-farmers

One particular banned neonicotinoid has been sanctioned for emergency use in England and a number of EU countries, to treat sugar beet seed. I gather the purpose is to stop aphids which have been spreading a virus that's badly affecting the beet crop. Worth noting that the ban is there to protect pollinating bees and sugar beet is a non-flowering crop. It's not ideal that the stuff is being used but it's probably a sensible compromise in the circumstances.

 

[lomiller]

Perhaps he’s getting confused by his fan mail written in green ink that says he should be sleeping with the fish?

Maybe that came from a fish that was very excited by the discussion.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

I think you're probably wrong about this one.

Here's the Guardian's report:
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...d-kill-bees-authorised-use-england-eu-farmers

One particular banned neonicotinoid has been sanctioned for emergency use in England and a number of EU countries, to treat sugar beet seed. I gather the purpose is to stop aphids which have been spreading a virus that's badly affecting the beet crop. Worth noting that the ban is there to protect pollinating bees and sugar beet is a non-flowering crop. It's not ideal that the stuff is being used but it's probably a sensible compromise in the circumstances.

Did you read my more detailed post above?

As far as I can see these emergency use orders are not new in the EU and so have nothing to do with the UK decision. They are also subject to EFSA review.

Had this been "nothing to do with Brexit" it could have been done in 2020. Are we supposed to believe that it's mere coincidence that it happens less than 2 weeks after we leave?

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Clearly he knows for a fact the fish are happier because he talked to them personally.

Yesterday in the House Mr Dedwood informed opposition MPs "I was swimming in the Caribbean
Animals were hiding behind the rock
Except the little fish
Bump into me, swear he's
Tryin' a talk to me, say wait wait

Where is my mind?
Where is my mind?
Where is my mind?
Way out in the water
See it swimming"

The MP for Wokingham (who is petioning to change the town's name to 'All Lives Mattertown') was not available to comment.

 

[catsmate]

"Downing Street has said Boris Johnson maintains confidence in the fisheries minister after she admitted not reading the post-Brexit trade deal with Brussels when it was agreed because she was busy organising a nativity trail."

linky

ffs

Ye gods, the EU really dropped the ball there. They could have put in a clause that a part of the agreement is that the UK starts using the Euro and it would have been signed.
Good thing the UK elected such competent leaders to return them to Imperial Glory.

The current UKGov was chosen for loyalty to BoBo (or at least lack of threat to the Bouffant Buffoon) and willingness to pander to the Brexiteers. Competence or skills were utterly unimportant. Hence the current messes.

 

[ceptimus]

Ten EU countries doing the same thing, but you think the reason the UK does it is Brexit?

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[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Ten EU countries doing the same thing, but you think the reason the UK does it is Brexit?

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Edited for rule 0 and rule 12.

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You think it's mere coincidence that we change the rules a week after we leave the jurisdiction of an organisation that provided oversight on the use of these chemicals? Aye, right.

Still waiting for you to show what changed in the EU or any of these 10 EU countries in the past fortnight? You have read beyond 1 BBC article I hope? It should be relatively easy to prove me wrong on that one.

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Edited for rule 0 and rule 12.

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Edited for rule 0 and rule 12.

 

[The Don]

The FT today is reporting that the UK is getting ready to tear up the working time directive. We were assured that workers' rights would be protected post-Brexit - the usual Brexiteer lies.

Welcome to the post-Brexit sweatshop

 

[Darat]

The FT today is reporting that the UK is getting ready to tear up the working time directive. We were assured that workers' rights would be protected post-Brexit - the usual Brexiteer lies.

Welcome to the post-Brexit sweatshop

Typical remoaner, we are getting rid of silly EU restrictions and giving workers their right to work as long as they want, soon we’ll also be giving them back their right to work in unsafe conditions... More choice for the workers!

 

[Mojo]

Typical remoaner, we are getting rid of silly EU restrictions and giving workers their right to work as long as they want, soon we’ll also be giving them back their right to work in unsafe conditions... More choice for the workers!

Victorian values.

 

[Lothian]

Typical remoaner, we are getting rid of silly EU restrictions and giving workers their right to work as long as they want, soon we’ll also be giving them back their right to work in unsafe conditions... More choice for the workers!

The EU directive just doesn't work for us. Take doctors: 5 years of medical training, add in living costs during that time you are looking at over 100 grand. 5.6% interest rates. How are they going to pay it off in any reasonable time if we don't let them work over 100 hours a week? They need to be pulling in a few 48 hour shifts if they are to make a dent in their debt to us all.

We chose to join the common market but no one asked me if I wanted doctors fit and awake enough to treat me. I never voted for this EU imposed insanity.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

The FT today is reporting that the UK is getting ready to tear up the working time directive. We were assured that workers' rights would be protected post-Brexit - the usual Brexiteer lies.

Welcome to the post-Brexit sweatshop

And the usual lying Brexiteer goblins are already out lying about how this is a good thing and what people wanted when they voted idiotically for Brexit.

 

[Andy_Ross]

The FT today is reporting that the UK is getting ready to tear up the working time directive. We were assured that workers' rights would be protected post-Brexit - the usual Brexiteer lies.

Welcome to the post-Brexit sweatshop

It iwll be good for the NHS apparently. Doctors will be have the freedom to work longer hours.

So back to 100 hour weeks for the juniors.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Did you read my more detailed post above?

As far as I can see these emergency use orders are not new in the EU and so have nothing to do with the UK decision. They are also subject to EFSA review.

Had this been "nothing to do with Brexit" it could have been done in 2020. Are we supposed to believe that it's mere coincidence that it happens less than 2 weeks after we leave?

Yes, I read it, but it's not clear to me that the UK has permanently changed its rules rather than issuing the same type of emergency use order the other countries have used, which seems to be what you're suggesting.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

The FT today is reporting that the UK is getting ready to tear up the working time directive. We were assured that workers' rights would be protected post-Brexit - the usual Brexiteer lies.

Welcome to the post-Brexit sweatshop

Reuters reports the same thing but with a bit of government spokesperson pushback, reassuring us that the demolition of workers rights they're definitely not plotting will be carefully labelled as "improvements".

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...duce-workers-rights-post-brexit-idUSKBN29J2Y8

 

[Andy_Ross]

David Schneider tweets

@davidschneider
Government:
We didn’t kneecap the music industry, it was the EU.
We didn’t kneecap the music industry, it was the EU.
We didn’t kneecap the music industry, it was the EU.
[quiet voice]
OK, it was us.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Yes, I read it, but it's not clear to me that the UK has permanently changed its rules rather than issuing the same type of emergency use order the other countries have used, which seems to be what you're suggesting.

The UK has been dragging its heels and pushing back on these regulations for the whole time it was in the EU. And it has allowed emergency use orders in the past.

But the use of these emergency orders has attracted a lot of attention and criticism within the EU and the EFSA has gotten involved. The push in the EU has been to tighten the regs with the UK being one of the objectors.

Meanwhile, despite assurances that they wouldn't, the UK takes the very first opportunity it gets outside the EU to allow the use of these chemicals. And since we aren't a member anymore there is no EU oversight or recourse to the decision.

So to say it has nothing to do with Brexit is just not true. This whole matter is intrinsically linked to Brexit and to try to wave it away with whataboutery as some people have doesn't wash with me.

The alternative is that it is mere coincidence that this happened a week after we left the EU and not a week before we did.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Well, one plausible reason to make the emergency use order now is to be in time for spring planting. I take your point about its being politically easier now as they won't face EU pushback but when several EU nations are already doing the same thing it doesn't look like an open and shut case.