Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

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MarkCorrigan said:
I hate the fact that cops in the US have guns. I think the weird militarisation of the police in the US is terrifying. I think that Stand Your Ground laws are insanity. I am absolutely 100% against the death penalty in every single possible case (yes, even Hitler) because I think it is sheer barbarity


This woman deserved everything she got. Stupid bitch.


ETA: Before people start complaining that I consider this woman worse than Hitler or something I say she deserved what she got because she was assaulting a barrier, while rioting and being belligerent, while there were armed cops who were sworn to protect the people she was trying to get at beyond the barrier and she knew that. She didn't "deserve to die" because she was evil, she did because she attacked a position defended by men with guns. Just like someone who runs at armed police brandishing a knife. Suicide by cop, I believe they call it.
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Some forms of idiotic refusal to be civilized should be fatal.
 
Darat said:
I think you slightly missed the point.

There has been a couple of reports about how there wasn’t additional policing because they - the likes of the FBI - had no intelligence about any threats. Yet within minutes of this kicking off people were unearthing tweets, parler discussions, facebook posts, forums and so on all discussing violent actions and plans.

It seems once again that there is a blind spot in the USA policing community (FBI, police departments etc.) when it comes to the potential violence from right wing groups.
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Not sure which point I may have missed.

Everyone's been talking openly for weeks about how this event was sure to turn nasty and, as you say, that seems to include those who wanted it to happen and hoped to make it happen. So the "no intelligence" suggestion is not credible. To me it seems the significant point is identifying those blind spot(s); who made the call(s) that resulted in this protest being policed so lightly that the officers present couldn't contain it?
 
Craig4 said:
We should plan and prepare expecting an armed attack on the inauguration. We just saw what thinking that there's something a Trump supporter won't do get you. We can't assume their kind have a bottom. There is simply no depth a Trump supporter won't sink to. Law enforcement needs to a) purge their ranks of enemy sympathizers and b) assume that there's no act of sedition or treason a Trump supporter won't engage in.
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And let’s not forget that most of the terrorists who staged the coup against the Capitol are still freely walking the streets because they were allowed to leave.

These people have only been emboldened by their success and lack of consequences.
 
Darat said:
I think you slightly missed the point.

There has been a couple of reports about how there wasn’t additional policing because they - the likes of the FBI - had no intelligence about any threats. Yet within minutes of this kicking off people were unearthing tweets, parler discussions, facebook posts, forums and so on all discussing violent actions and plans.

It seems once again that there is a blind spot in the USA policing community (FBI, police departments etc.) when it comes to the potential violence from right wing groups.
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The Great Zaganza said:
This was a massive Law enforcement failure - you don't prep Security for the most likely case, but the worst case.
Clearly, there was a blind spot when it came to imagining what the MAGAs would be willing to do.
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“Right wing groups” and “MAGAs”, yes. But let’s not mince words. This was a large group of mostly white men and that’s a major factor in why they were treated with kid gloves.
 
Planigale said:
I think the window was only big enough for one person, (with a large back pack), pepper spraying her or tasering her halfway through effectively blocks the hole?
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Geez, I’m normally in the camp of slagging off US police for being trigger happy but in this case they were absolutely justified - small handful of defenders sworn to protect their charges, rampaging mob kicking in the doors and smashing the windows to get in (did you see the full video - this was not a lone woman climbing through a window to have a look around, this was the first person of a mob that was attempting to smash the doors down and earlier there’d been chanting about killing Mike Pence...not necessarily the same people but part of the same initial crowd) and the first person starts breaking through. One shot and it all stops. Clear, decisive action where physically engaging would have had the whole mob on him seconds later. He actually showed excellent control - no firing into the crowd, no shots as they were trying to break in, waited until one actually breached the last line of defence, then a single shot. None of that panicked, empty the chamber malarkey so usually associated with cops shooting. Total, controlled protection of his charges, nothing excessive, one shot, take out the breacher. Stop firing.

He should be commended.
 
Distracted1 said:
Indeed.
Some forms of behavior are unacceptable regardless of how certain one is that their cause is just.
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Breaking fast food restaurant windows and throwing rocks at police is not in the same league as what happened at the capitol on Wednesday.
 
trustbutverify said:
Breaking fast food restaurant windows and throwing rocks at police is not in the same league as what happened at the capitol on Wednesday.
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No, it’s the same! Everything is the same! Everyone on this forum spent months singing the praises of rioters, looters, and puppy-kickers and now you will all pay! You will all pay!
 
Ethan Thane Athen said:
Geez, I’m normally in the camp of slagging off US police for being trigger happy but in this case they were absolutely justified -
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Not even us over sensitive socialist anti-guns Europeans feel our delicate sensibilities offended by this particular demonstration of police violence ;)
 
Flo said:
Not even us over sensitive socialist anti-guns Europeans feel our delicate sensibilities offended by this particular demonstration of police violence ;)
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Damn straight. Defending the seat of government from insurrection seems to me a reasonable situation for deadly force.

Dave
 
Dave Rogers said:
Damn straight. Defending the seat of government from insurrection seems to me a reasonable situation for deadly force.

Dave
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Particularly when the insurrectionists are on a mission to replace democratic institutions with a tyrannical cross between Mussolini and Alex Jones.
 
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I see the guy with the lectern was arrested.

"The man smiling and waving at the camera has been identified as 36-year-old Adam Johnson of Parrish in Manatee County. 8 On Your Side has learned Johnson is married to a local physician and is a father of five.

The arrest report says Johnson was booked in the Pinellas County Jail around 9 p.m. Friday. He remains there on a US Marshal warrant."

https://www.wfla.com/news/pinellas-...rying-lectern-during-riot-at-u-s-capitol/amp/

Wifey going to be pissed.
 
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