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Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

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Planigale said:
How many people actually roamed the corridors of the capitol? My take was it was a few dozen, but I have seen no count so I may be completely misinterpreting what happened.

Here is an example of people occupying a federal building as part of a demonstration and seeking a change in the constitution of the US, sounds pretty revolutionary to me.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-54794408
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One of the videos on youtube showed the woman being carried out on a stretcher. There were cries of "make a hole", and people clearing the hallways so the stretcher could be removed. The hallways were full, and it was a long series of hallways. There were hundreds inside the Capitol building.
 
JoeMorgue said:
This is sea-lioning. There's goddamn news footage of massive crowds inside the Pentagon (stupid brainfart, Capitol) and Planigale absolutely knows it.
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Indeed.

Considering all the costumes though, maybe the imps were just trick or treating. Some of them got tricked, however.

Violent insurrectionists violently stormed a govt building, and received violence in return. Who'd have ever thunk?
 
Delphic Oracle said:
She had an enormous backpack on.

They absolutely had to shoot.

And notice how fast that alcove cleared out once it wasn't a damn game anymore.
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You've said something here that is very critical.

Up until then, they were all treating it like a game. Trump, the congress critters grandstanding their objections and the "protestors." It was a all a game.

For some people, especially the senators, it suddenly became real. When they are being hauled off by security to a secure location for their protection and that of the vice president, suddenly it became far more apparent about the real "threat to democracy."

When Ted Cruz was in college, he was a national champion debater. That means he can take any position and defend it, regardless of whether he believes it or not. He's a master at rhetoric. It has nothing to do with principles.
 
And now the Repulbicans have the nerve to talk about unifying the country:

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy called on Democrats to step away from considering impeaching President Trump for a second time.

In a lengthy statement on Friday, he said: "Our country is not just divided. We are deeply hurt... Impeaching the president with only 12 days left in his term will only divide our country more."

Democratic leaders in the House majority indicated they may move forward with impeachment as soon as Monday.

McCarthy said he had reached out to Joe Biden - who he did not acknowledge as the president-elect until this week - to discuss how to "work together to lower the temperature and unite the country to solve America's challenges".
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I would suggest that if they want to show they truly care about unity then they dump the likes of Ted Cruz who continued to actively spread Trump's lies about the election being stolen after an attempted coup by Trump supporters incited by Trump himself. Healing the USA will only be possible when the Republicans stop trying to appeal to the deplorables and embrace reality.
 
Planigale said:
I haven't seen a picture of her climbing through the window, so I'll accept that she was doing so with an enormous backpack on. Was the thought she had a bomb in the back pack? I do not understand otherwise the association between a back pack and her needing to be shot in the face.
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"You accept that"

Who cares? It's reality. It's what happened. There's nothing for you to accept about it. Again why not go learn the most basic facts about this event before sealioning your way through a discussion about it?

This is not real. A human being is not sitting here lamb bleating about how they simply can't comprehend (not agree or disagree with but literally lack the mental framework to even comprehend) why trying to force your way into the inner sanctum of Congress with a backpack in the middle of a violent riot is something that might require a deadly response.
 
Planigale said:
No, there is a line of succession. Yes, it would be a dreadful thing. I am sure that the secret service detail would not have allowed that to happen so this is a pretty hypothetical issue. But really, the POTUS is shot democracy goes on in the US. the VP is shot, pretty sure that would not end democracy in the US.
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And how would the Secret Service have prevented it? They would have shot someone, or multiple people if necessary.
 
So it wasn't a coup and hissy fits for days will be pitched if anyone says it is, but it was an execution.

I repeat *Jerk off motion*
 
Planigale said:
Thank you. I am unable to access that link as it seems to be behind a paywall. I take your point, that she was shot because others might come through. Did any others? Was there no alternative? Maybe the officer did not have a taser or pepper spray or a baton or handcuffs.

I'll stick with the killing people is wrong view. Even if there was no alternative, it is not something to celebrate. She did not deserve to be shot in the face. This was a sad event, to be regretted, even if there was no other option.
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I think the time for alternatives was at different points before the very last barricade. The mob should never have gotten that far, and someone needs to be held accountable for that.

Imagine an angry mob strolling through the White House, destroying everything around them, and then one of them breaks into the Oval Office and gets shot. No one would question it.
 
Planigale said:
No, there is a line of succession. Yes, it would be a dreadful thing. I am sure that the secret service detail would not have allowed that to happen so this is a pretty hypothetical issue. But really, the POTUS is shot democracy goes on in the US. the VP is shot, pretty sure that would not end democracy in the US.

I do not defend the violence. I despise the things these neo-nazis believe. But this was not an existential threat to US democracy. All this talk of hang them high is as bad as the rioters.
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You mean “all” as in “none”?
 
People are obviously keen to educate me. So can I ask a couple of questions?

Were any shot fired by the rioters in the capitol?

Were the pipe bombs planted in the capitol?

Do we have any figures for how many people were wandering the corridors of the capitol?

Is there a link to how the unfortunate police officer was injured / killed?
 
I'm so ******* sick of the evil people having defense run for them because the mediocre people want to spend more time tone policing the good people's language for "drama" and "hypocrisy" then worrying about the evil.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Maybe, maybe not.

But one has to play out the scenario if she was the first of many to pour in through the window. Then overwhelmed the handful of armed officers and took their weapons. Then started hunting down and executing Democratic representatives and possibly even Pence if they could find him. The investigation into the massacre could then focus on why the officers chose not to use their weapons. Extending the Principle of Charity to the officer involved seems reasonable, pending investigation. To extend that Principle to a mob focused on beaching a perimeter to access lawmakers seems risky at best.
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The likely and intended scenario.
 
Planigale said:
People are obviously keen to educate me. So can I ask a couple of questions?

Were any shot fired by the rioters in the capitol?

Were the pipe bombs planted in the capitol?

Do we have any figures for how many people were wandering the corridors of the capitol?

Is there a link to how the unfortunate police officer was injured / killed?
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Stop sea-lioning. It's pathetic.
 
Planigale said:
People are obviously keen to educate me. So can I ask a couple of questions?

Were any shot fired by the rioters in the capitol?

Were the pipe bombs planted in the capitol?

Do we have any figures for how many people were wandering the corridors of the capitol?

Is there a link to how the unfortunate police officer was injured / killed?
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A fire extinguisher was thrown at his head.

We know that some of the mob had handguns at least.

What more do you want?
 
FBI is rounding a lot of these folks up including WV State Representative Derrick Evans, who was just arrested. Seems like the FBI isn't playing around with these folks. I hope they get as many as they can.
 
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