Trump's Coup d'état.

[dmaker]

Just saw a repost of something Lin Wood is saying on Parler. That Trump is hiding out with the top military brass in TX waiting for Pence and Congress to finish their crimes. Then they will swoop in.

For my money, I bet that Trump is still in the White House on hold with Twitter tech support.

 

[Silly Green Monkey]

This is incorrect. Seize means not just to deny something, but to take it away from someone and into your own possession so you have it and they don't.
If instead I just slash your tires and dumping sugar in your gas tank, while I have denied you the ability to use your car, I haven't seized it. You still retain possession of it.

If you seize my car, but don’t drive it or otherwise use it and merely prevent me from using it, you’ve still seized my car.

Exactly, sticking a boot over your car wheel is a common way for a car to be seized without actually hauling it away.

 

[Resume]

Just saw a repost of something Lin Wood is saying on Parler. That Trump is hiding out with the top military brass in TX waiting for Pence and Congress to finish their crimes. Then they will swoop in.

For my money, I bet that Trump is still in the White House on hold with Twitter tech support.

Lin should watch out for the people with nets swooping in.

 

[PhantomWolf]

You understand that synonyms can be used interchangeably, right? That's what makes them synonyms.

This simply isn't true. Synonyms may be interchangeable, but can also change the context of the sentence. synonyms are words of similar meaning, not exact. For example, a synonym of "Fat" can be both "Morbidly Obese" and "Chubby" but these are not the same thing, and using them interchangeably would give an incorrect context.

 

[johnny karate]

You do understand that synonym doesn't mean "words with exactly the same meaning" right?

Yes. Do you understand that synonyms are close enough in meaning that quibbling over their specific definitions is engaging in needless hair-splitting?

 

[dirtywick]

Words have meanings, if you don't use them in the correct context then you cause confusion.

Would it be a good idea to talk about the tornado that devastated miles of Florida coastline? I mean after all Hurricane, Cyclone, Typhoon, Tornado... they are all cyclonic wind storms, what does it matter is we use them all interchangeably?

yeah words do have meanings, and meaning depends on context.

instead of this example, i'll use your other example. the broad definition of treason betrayal of one's country, but you object to the use of that because it doesn't fit with the US constitution's legal definition. people are allowed to use the more broad definition if they want, you don't get to pick which definition people are allowed to use and in what context.

it's more like you're objecting to the word "storm" because you'd rather they use the word "hurricane"

 

[johnny karate]

This simply isn't true. Synonyms may be interchangeable, but can also change the context of the sentence. synonyms are words of similar meaning, not exact. For example, a synonym of "Fat" can be both "Morbidly Obese" and "Chubby" but these are not the same thing, and using them interchangeably would give an incorrect context.

No one is arguing that synonyms have the exact same meaning.

 

[dudalb]

Don Lemon seems to be pushing a "Capitol Police are part of the plot" conspriacy theory.

 

[PhantomWolf]

If you seize my car, but don’t drive it or otherwise use it and merely prevent me from using it, you’ve still seized my car.

You seem to be deliberately missing the point yet again.

It's not "merely preventing your using it." I am able to prevent your using it because you no longer possess it, I do. I can go for a joy ride in it because it's in my possession. Just because I don't, doesn't mean I can't.

This is the issue. Seizure involves more than the mere denial of use, it involves taking away the possession of that use from someone else and in doing so having the possession yourself (it giving that possession to someone else.)

It doesn't matter if Congress was unable to do something unless they actually lost the power to do it because the terrorists took that power themselves then it isn't a seizure.

Congress still had the ability to vote on the certificates, they never lost it, the Terrorists never gained it. Yes, they were denied the ability to exercise the power because the law says they have to be in a certain place to do so, but they never lost the power itself, any more than going to lunch means that they lose the power.

 

[PhantomWolf]

No one is arguing that synonyms have the exact same meaning.

so you agree that insurrection and coup don't mean the same thing then?

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

13 people arrested so far, according to Norwegian news.

13 is a pathetically small amount given the number of people involved and the seriousness of the crime.

 

[PhantomWolf]

yeah words do have meanings, and meaning depends on context.

instead of this example, i'll use your other example. the broad definition of treason betrayal of one's country, but you object to the use of that because it doesn't fit with the US constitution's legal definition. people are allowed to use the more broad definition if they want, you don't get to pick which definition people are allowed to use and in what context.

When people declare that someone has committed Treason, then that is a direct criminal accusation. Treason is defined by a criminal code. If you want to accuse someone of violating that code, then get the codes right.

it's more like you're objecting to the word "storm" because you'd rather they use the word "hurricane"

wrong way around. It's closer to objecting to people calling a Thunderstorm "a Hurricane."

 

[PhantomWolf]

13 is a pathetically small amount given the number of people involved and the seriousness of the crime.

There will be more, lots of footage and photos of the perps, the police will identify them and then go knock on the door over the next few weeks.

 

[johnny karate]

You seem to be deliberately missing the point yet again.

It's not "merely preventing your using it." I am able to prevent your using it because you no longer possess it, I do. I can go for a joy ride in it because it's in my possession. Just because I don't, doesn't mean I can't.

This is the issue. Seizure involves more than the mere denial of use, it involves taking away the possession of that use from someone else and in doing so having the possession yourself (it giving that possession to someone else.)

It doesn't matter if Congress was unable to do something unless they actually lost the power to do it because the terrorists took that power themselves then it isn't a seizure.

Congress still had the ability to vote on the certificates, they never lost it, the Terrorists never gained it. Yes, they were denied the ability to exercise the power because the law says they have to be in a certain place to do so, but they never lost the power itself, any more than going to lunch means that they lose the power.

If they didn’t lose the power to certify the vote then why didn’t they exercise it?

 

[dirtywick]

Don Lemon seems to be pushing a "Capitol Police are part of the plot" conspriacy theory.

i'd consider it an almost inexplicable failure that they were allowed to get that close with so little resistance, have to be honest. like it's possible they were so badly prepared for this despite all the obvious warning signs but that takes an unbelievable amount of incompetence.

 

[Resume]

There will be more, lots of footage and photos of the perps, the police will identify them and then go knock on the door over the next few weeks.

Yeah, those ******* know who they are and are probably shaking in their boots right now.

Or not.

 

[dirtywick]

When people declare that someone has committed Treason, then that is a direct criminal accusation. Treason is defined by a criminal code. If you want to accuse someone of violating that code, then get the codes right.

i thought i just explained that there's also a more casual definition of the term that normal people can use in casual conversation? it was the only reason i wrote what i wrote. like, what is going on here?

 

[dudalb]

Yeah, those ******* know who they are and are probably shaking in their boots right now.

Or not.

I think a lot of ones who drew attention to themselves will be arrested.
The idiot who selfied himslef sitting in Pelosi's office is going up for sure.

 

[johnny karate]

so you agree that insurrection and coup don't mean the same thing then?

No, they don’t mean the exact same thing. But they are very close in meaning. Thus, synonyms.

The question is why you wish to split this particular hair but readily accept the term “insurrection” without delving into similar semantic quibbles.

 

[PhantomWolf]

If they didn’t lose the power to certify the vote then why didn’t they exercise it?

already answered.

Possessing power doesn't mean you can always exercise it, and not being able to exercise a power doesn't mean you have had it taken away from you