Cont: Trump et al continued “2020 election” conspiracy theories

[CaptainHowdy]

I assumed that you were talking about the TCF Center in Detroit, when random Trump supporters, who were not legally appointed observers, were standing outside the Center, harassing the vote counters, and taking photos and videos through the windows which could endanger voter information. This resulted in the windows being covered, while the legitimate Republican and Democrat observers remained inside to observe the vote counting.

You know, the reality of the situation, instead of the paranoid fantasies and lies promoted on right-wing media.

You don't have to be a 'legally appointed observer' to stand outside the building and watch the vote count through the window. If you're not allowed inside the building because of some pandemic ******** or you've been kicked out after observing irregularities and asking about it, watching through the windows is the only option.

I was told upthread that there are cameras inside these vote count centers recording everything that's going on. They do this to prevent voter fraud, so I'm told. So people taking pictures and video from the outside of the building aren't going to "endanger voter information" to any significant degree.

If people outside the building believe that voter fraud is occurring inside the building, preventing them from observing isn't going to inspire confidence. If they are disrupting the process by yelling and pounding on the windows when they can see inside the building, you deploy security guards outside to keep people a minimum distance away from the windows. Which you would have to do anyway because they're not going to stop being disruptive if they can't see inside the building.

The only reason to block the windows is to prevent people from watching the vote counting process. The only reason you would want to prevent people from watching the vote counting process is because you want to steal the election.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

"So called anomalies" is exactly right- CTists have this strange habit of using the word as if it means "something that looks weird to me," without any idea that it requires a little more definition than that. It requires context to identify an anomaly- you need a contrast with what is normally expected in a given situation to say something is an anomalistic exception. So, in this case, CTists put themselves in the rather silly position of saying that a person passing something across a table to somebody else in a setting like this one is a complete deviation from the norm. Because, you know...nobody ever does that.

From one of the other threads but it deserves to be here:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...nks-trump-georgia-election-claims-sot-vpx.cnn

 

[eerok]

The only reason to block the windows is to prevent people from watching the vote counting process. The only reason you would want to prevent people from watching the vote counting process is because you want to steal the election.

That is a lie. In every case, the GOP poll watchers were inside the whole time observing the count.

 

[Meadmaker]

You don't have to be a 'legally appointed observer' to stand outside the building and watch the vote count through the window. If you're not allowed inside the building because of some pandemic ******** or you've been kicked out after observing irregularities and asking about it, watching through the windows is the only option.

I was told upthread that there are cameras inside these vote count centers recording everything that's going on. They do this to prevent voter fraud, so I'm told. So people taking pictures and video from the outside of the building aren't going to "endanger voter information" to any significant degree.

If people outside the building believe that voter fraud is occurring inside the building, preventing them from observing isn't going to inspire confidence. If they are disrupting the process by yelling and pounding on the windows when they can see inside the building, you deploy security guards outside to keep people a minimum distance away from the windows. Which you would have to do anyway because they're not going to stop being disruptive if they can't see inside the building.

The only reason to block the windows is to prevent people from watching the vote counting process. The only reason you would want to prevent people from watching the vote counting process is because you want to steal the election.

Nonsense.

At no time did the TCF Center ever have less than the agreed to number of Republican observers in the room where votes were counted.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Not if those explanations made sense. The refusal to explain is frankly more suspicious than the action itself.

Sorry, but I don't believe you. And I shouldn't: If you believe there was massive fraud, you cannot believe any explanation given by the assumed culprits. Why should you.

The problem is that these anomalies haven't been explain. The courts have yet to reject any of them.

Well, why haven't they been brought before the courts? Let's say there are some unexplained "anomalies". There usually will be, if enough people are involved; where is the evidence that there WAS fraud? Where are all the thousands of fraudulent votes? Biden got, literally, 70 tons more votes than Trump. How come nobody can come up with a single one?

Stay focused, answer the question.

Hans

 

[8enotto]

The observers from both parties were still inside observing the process. The hooligans were outside pounding on the windows .

The stop the count crap was hot at that time frame.

Ninja's four times...lol!

Beating the dead horse causes indeed.

 

[MRC_Hans]

How many times does the same bull **** have to be debunked?

According to experience .... forever.

Hans

 

[smartcooky]

Once.

Try telling Bubba that!

 

[Armitage72]

That is a lie. In every case, the GOP poll watchers were inside the whole time observing the count.

Obviously, random people can walk up and say "I want to be an official poll watcher. Let me in". Just as I can walk into a hospital and say "I want to be a surgeon. Let me in the operating room."

 

[MRC_Hans]

You don't have to be a 'legally appointed observer' to stand outside the building and watch the vote count through the window. If you're not allowed inside the building because of some pandemic ******** or you've been kicked out after observing irregularities and asking about it, watching through the windows is the only option.

Poll watchers are appointed. They watch the polls. Others don't, to preserve the privacy of counters and voters. Appointed people have the duty to not disclose various kinds of personal information. People peeping through windows don't.

I was told upthread that there are cameras inside these vote count centers recording everything that's going on. They do this to prevent voter fraud, so I'm told. So people taking pictures and video from the outside of the building aren't going to "endanger voter information" to any significant degree.

Yes, they are, because there is no control over how they use the recordings they make.

Answer this question, or we are done (you may prefer that): Counters received death threats. Even people who weren't actually there did. Do you condone this. Yes or no?

If people outside the building believe that voter fraud is occurring inside the building, preventing them from observing isn't going to inspire confidence. If they are disrupting the process by yelling and pounding on the windows when they can see inside the building, you deploy security guards outside to keep people a minimum distance away from the windows. Which you would have to do anyway because they're not going to stop being disruptive if they can't see inside the building.

Nonsense. There is a strict system in place to stop fraud. It is established by law. It is not the privilege of a random mob outside to decide if they are pleased at what they see.

The only reason to block the windows is to prevent people from watching the vote counting process. The only reason you would want to prevent people from watching the vote counting process is because you want to steal the election.

Nonsense. There were still observers inside. You know this. Why do you keep lying about it?

Hans

 

[Resume]

Forever. JFK conspiracy crap which has been debunked for 50 years still spouts up.

As dudalb said, it will never be completely debunked. The Believers will go on believing no matter how many times it gets debunked.

According to experience .... forever.

Hans

I'm talking about the same exact claims spouted by the same posters in this thread, two pages after that claim has been debunked, as if it never happened, then ask for it to be examined again. When I ask how many times these claims have to be debunked, what I'm really saying is look upthread, lazy ass.

 

[Resume]

The only reason to block the windows is to prevent people from watching the vote counting process. The only reason you would want to prevent people from watching the vote counting process is because you want to steal the election.

Nope.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

I'm talking about the same exact claims spouted by the same posters in this thread, two pages after that claim has been debunked, as if it never happened, then ask for it to be examined again. When I ask how many times these claims have to be debunked, what I'm really saying is look upthread, lazy ass.

If there weren't fringe resets, this forum would have almost no life left at all.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

Because of course, if they were involved in voter fraud, they would simply admit it as soon as anyone asked them about it.

But if they were not involved in voter fraud, they would be able to explain to us that what might appear suspicious is actually not.

It's interesting and amusing that you are assuming that they were involved in voter fraud and you ridicule the notion that asking them about it would be futile because they would of course deny it. Because you've never heard of a suspect confessing to a crime or tripping himself up by not being able to keep a story straight?

 

[CaptainHowdy]

And if they didn't, if they just said, "it was a [completely innocuous object]," the type of person who has made a "weird anomaly" out of someone handing something across a table to someboody else would just stop speculating and say, "oh, ok, my bad."

If the explanation made sense, yes.

 

[Resume]

If there weren't fringe resets, this forum would have almost no life left at all.

Yeah, but give it more than a dozen posts before the reset; I don't mind jumping through hoops now and again, but at least allow me to forget that particular hoop.

 

[CORed]

I'm talking about the same exact claims spouted by the same posters in this thread, two pages after that claim has been debunked, as if it never happened, then ask for it to be examined again. When I ask how many times these claims have to be debunked, what I'm really saying is look upthread, lazy ass.

Many people in this subforum call that a "fringe reset". It's a very common tactic of conspiracy theorists, and a very good sign that they have no real evidence.

 

[Resume]

Many people in this subforum call that a "fringe reset". It's a very common tactic of conspiracy theorists, and a very good sign that they have no real evidence.

See above.

 

[Resume]

Anyone know how this latest "perfect" phone call is playing on Fox?

 

[Meadmaker]

Obviously, random people can walk up and say "I want to be an official poll watcher. Let me in". Just as I can walk into a hospital and say "I want to be a surgeon. Let me in the operating room."

At the TCF Center in Detroit, some of the people who were kept out were, in fact, official poll watchers.

Basically, there were plenty of registered poll watchers, but there were only a limited number allowed in the counting room at one time. The number 137 from each party sounds familiar, but I don't know if that's right. I remember it was over 100.

Two things happened that kept people out.

As Biden began to pull ahead, a call went out for all eligible GOP poll watchers to come down to TCF Center, because things were looking bad. This resulted in a surge of poll watchers showing up. There were more than the official quota allowed, so not all were admitted.

The second thing that happened was the poll watchers would leave for dinner or other reasons, and when they came back, someone else had been admitted, so now the room was over capacity again. There were frequently more people in the room than were projected and based on the official quotas, but there were never less. In other words, they always let in at least as many people as the pre-election agreements stipulated, and frequently more.

On Wednesday morning, then, a whole bunch of other people also showed up to protest. Those were the rowdies banging on the glass and such, and that's when the cardboard went up. I guess city workers for some reason didn't want to be recognized by an angry mob. Go figure. At no time during this process were Republican or Democratic election observers removed from the room.