Ed Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories....

[smartcooky]

That's funny. There was no fraud. The Democrats just got people of color out to vote in major urban areas. I realize you see this as steal the election. It's not of course. What really makes me happy about your anguish is that people you don't think should be here and voting just took your country away from you and there's nothing you can do about it.

Imagining the average American racist raging against this gives me that warm feeling of schadenfreude all over!

 

[Bubba]

Probably another pack of lies

University of Florida researchers find no asymptomatic or presymptomatic spread


https://web.archive.org/web/2020122...rida-researchers-find-no-asymptomatic-spread/

 

[smartcooky]

Probably another pack of lies

Exactly

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ent-study-didnt-find-no-asymptomatic-spread-/

No, a recent study didn’t find that there was “no asymptomatic” spread of COVID-19

"The study was a "meta-analysis" — a paper that pools existing studies on a topic and tries to draw broader conclusions using a larger data set than any of the studies had individually.

Specifically, the study looked at how much the virus spread within households. The researchers found that among the studies that met their parameters, the "secondary attack rates" — that is, the likelihood of spread from an infected person to a previously uninfected person within a household — were higher among people who had symptoms than among those who didn’t: 18% for symptomatic individuals vs. 0.7% for asymptomatic individuals.


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https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9902244410

Posts misrepresent study examining household coronavirus transmission

CLAIM: University of Florida researchers found “no asymptomatic or presymptomatic spread of Covid” in a study published by the Journal of the American Medical Association.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. A spokesperson for the Journal of the American Medical Association network of publications denied publishing findings that SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, does not spread without symptoms. University of Florida researchers who authored a recent study called the social media posts a “misrepresentation” of their findings.​

You really do need to RESEARCH the stuff you don't understand before you post it!

 

[Aridas]

Probably another pack of lies

It's an interesting takeaway from that analysis.

On a quick look at the cited research, the stated summary of conclusions was...

Conclusions and Relevance The findings of this study suggest that given that individuals with suspected or confirmed infections are being referred to isolate at home, households will continue to be a significant venue for transmission of SARS-CoV-2.

To poke at a summary of the results including what they're trying to poke at...

Results A total of 54 relevant studies with 77 758 participants reporting household secondary transmission were identified. Estimated household secondary attack rate was 16.6% (95% CI, 14.0%-19.3%), higher than secondary attack rates for SARS-CoV (7.5%; 95% CI, 4.8%-10.7%) and MERS-CoV (4.7%; 95% CI, 0.9%-10.7%). Household secondary attack rates were increased from symptomatic index cases (18.0%; 95% CI, 14.2%-22.1%) than from asymptomatic index cases (0.7%; 95% CI, 0%-4.9%), to adult contacts (28.3%; 95% CI, 20.2%-37.1%) than to child contacts (16.8%; 95% CI, 12.3%-21.7%), to spouses (37.8%; 95% CI, 25.8%-50.5%) than to other family contacts (17.8%; 95% CI, 11.7%-24.8%), and in households with 1 contact (41.5%; 95% CI, 31.7%-51.7%) than in households with 3 or more contacts (22.8%; 95% CI, 13.6%-33.5%).

It's really just not saying what the headline claimed.

Still, looks like smartcooky beat me to punch and with actual fact checkers.

You really do need to RESEARCH the stuff you don't understand before you post it!

That's what he has the people here for, by the look of it?

 

[Trebuchet]

Herman Cain

Now, now, Howdy was referring to real Americans, not black people like Herman!

 

[dudalb]

When I was a kid, I used to enjoy campfire ghost stories. As an adult I enjoy good CT stories.

Especially ones like the Bill Gates microchipped vaccine ones. They Kraken me up.

Problem is Conspiracies Theories are a lot more dangerous then Campfire Ghost Stories. They are pretty much killing people now.

 

[MRC_Hans]

That's funny. There was no fraud. The Democrats just got people of color out to vote in major urban areas. I realize you see this as steal the election. It's not of course. What really makes me happy about your anguish is that people you don't think should be here and voting just took your country away from you and there's nothing you can do about it.

And, of course, it is far from the deadliest disease known to man.

Hans

 

[CaptainHowdy]

Now, now, Howdy was referring to real Americans, not black people like Herman!

Black people can be real Americans. Most of them come from families that have been in the United States longer than my family has. Why would you say such a thing? Herman Cain isn't black. He supported Donald Trump and if you support Donald Trump, you ain't black.

 

[Bubba]

Are these numbers correct?


CDC 2019 deaths: 2,854.838...

CDC 2020 deaths so far 2,835,533

 

[smartcooky]

Are these numbers correct?


CDC 2019 deaths: 2,854.838...

CDC 2020 deaths so far 2,835,533

Nope

The correct figures for the number people have died from all causes in the last three years are

2017 (whole year) 2,813,503

2018 (whole year) 2,839,205

2019 (whole year) 2,852,590

2020 (between January 1 and November 28) - 2,926,129*

*Note 1: Based on the statistics from the Census Bureau regarding the trend in the number of deaths each year since 2017, the CDC projected that there would be 2.75 million deaths in 2020 - you are already over that with a month to go

*Note 2: There is missing or incomplete data for October through December because some states still have not sent their data in thanks to the Trump Admin completely screwing up reporting to the CDC.

*Note 3: In December of any given year, there is an average of 8600 deaths per day. From Nov 28 to Dec 31 is 33 days, so expect about 282850 more to die before the end of the year. You can expect the total deaths in the US for 2020 to be 3.2 million (it will likely be more than that) - that is 350,000 more than expected.

Do your ******* homework before you post cherry picked statistics with no context.

 

[Aridas]

Are these numbers correct?


CDC 2019 deaths: 2,854.838...

CDC 2020 deaths so far 2,835,533

Back sometime in early November, maybe?

As of November 28th, the official, albeit not even close to up to date (it officially lags by 1-8 weeks or so) death count was apparently at 2,926,129.

Just to add to that a bit to provide context from the link...

According to the same estimates, 2,852,590 people died in 2019, meaning at least 73,000 more people have died so far in 2020 than 2019, despite missing or incomplete data for October through December. If deaths continue at the weekly average of approximately 60,000 per week, at least 240,000 more people would die in 2020, resulting in more than 3.1 million deaths. If the population grew at the same rate in 2020 as in 2019 (0.5%), this would result in a death rate of 9.4 deaths per 1,000, making it the highest death rate in decades.

For context, the most recent estimates from the Census Bureau, which are from 2017, projected that there would be 2.75 million deaths in 2020, accounting for an aging population. The Census Bureau did not expect the nation to reach 3.1 million deaths until 2029 or 2030.

Perhaps of more interest in some ways... the weekly excess deaths have been significant since the end of March.

 

[Craig4]

Here is the item that was posted. Other than shortening the sentence, it was copied from the article.




A test result in a lab. Period.


Naturally, triggered indignant pearl clutchers took an undeserved victory lap, delightfully exceeding expectations...

















Almost as if a trainer had shouted "Bark!" to some seals.

I assure you no pearls were clutched. Nothing you could say or do in your bid for attention could surprise. Pointing out your failures and inadequacies is just too much fun.

 

[TheSupermeerkat]

It is being reported that a Hospital worker in Wisconsin intentionally destroyed 500 doses of COVID-19 vaccine

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...nally-destroyed-500-doses-of-COVID-19-vaccine

Fundy, anti vaxxeer, qanon or all three?

 

[Aridas]

It is being reported that a Hospital worker in Wisconsin intentionally destroyed 500 doses of COVID-19 vaccine

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...nally-destroyed-500-doses-of-COVID-19-vaccine

Fundy, anti vaxxeer, qanon or all three?

May as well treat it as yet another casualty of the stochastic terrorism that the GOP's been promoting.

 

[Mader Levap]

It is being reported that a Hospital worker in Wisconsin intentionally destroyed 500 doses of COVID-19 vaccine

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...nally-destroyed-500-doses-of-COVID-19-vaccine

Fundy, anti vaxxeer, qanon or all three?

I am sure there is way to calculate how much people statistically he likely killed.

 

[smartcooky]

I am sure there is way to calculate how much people statistically he likely killed.

42

 

[BazBear]

42

And what is half of 42? 21 of course, and the year '21 starts tomorrow. I think you can see where I'm going with this...

 

[EHocking]

And what is half of 42? 21 of course, and the year '21 starts tomorrow. I think you can see where I'm going with this...

Rapidly down the rabbit hole?

 

[MRC_Hans]

I am sure there is way to calculate how much people statistically he likely killed.

We could do that, just for fun:

I would guess zero. Now in some worst-case scenario, this would mean that 250 people were not vaccinated (it takes two shots to gain full effect). If we were to assume they all eventually got the disease (which is unlikely) and the mortality rate is around one percent, this would mean 2-3 deaths.

However, obviously, this is not realistic. Instead, 250 vaccinations will be delayed, and the resultant number of cases will be those who happen to catch the disease during that delay.

Using data from Worldometer, we can find that the US currently has about 2400 new confirmed cases per day *). Thus, one person has around 0.0016 chance of being infected on any one day. Now multiply by 250, we have 0.375 person per day getting it of those 250 people. And ar a death-rate of 1%, we should have 0.004 (rounded up) risk for each day of delay. As a likely delay should only be a couple of weeks till fresh supplies arrive, the risk remains far below 1.

Hans

*) I know there are more cases than the number confirmed, but since the death-rate is calculated against confirmed cases, this makes no difference.

 

[Mader Levap]

Ahhh, lying with statistics is fun.

However, obviously, this is not realistic. Instead, 250 vaccinations will be delayed, and the resultant number of cases will be those who happen to catch the disease during that delay.

Yep, except one little thing you "forgot". Those cases will go on and some of them will infect others. These secondary cases and their results (disease, deaths and long term problems) are on this loon too.

Using data from Worldometer, we can find that the US currently has about 2400 new confirmed cases per day *).

I would use data from around place where these vaccines were intended to be distributed, personally.

Additionally, at this stage vaccine is distributed to those with highest risk (like healthcare workers or elders), so risks of infection and/or death are significantly higher than average.

Thus, one person has around 0.0016 chance of being infected on any one day. (...)

GIGO.