Major explosion in downtown Nashville

[Armitage72]

Sure, and the highlighed is my point. Even something that was actually about the incident has more or less lost that connection in many people's minds.

I would say very few people under the age of 40, if they even hear the song, would make the connection to a forgotten incident.

Personally, these days the song makes me think of a main character on "The 100" who was constantly singing the song for days before he and a group of people committed mass suicide rather than face the latest crisis on post-apocalyptic Earth.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Police had been told that AQW was building bombs more than 1 year prior:
https://www.newschannel5.com/news/n...ice-he-was-building-bombs-in-his-rv-last-year

Took the girlfriend in for psych evaluation, did nothing about mobile bomb building RV.

Cops are worthless.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Took the girlfriend in for psych evaluation, did nothing about mobile bomb building RV.

Cops are worthless.

*Pats you on the shoulder* Don't worry. Maybe the next terrorist explosion will kill some of them. That will make you feel better.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

*Pats you on the shoulder* Don't worry. Maybe the next terrorist explosion will kill some of them. That will make you feel better.

From your mouth to God's ear.

Wishful thinking aside, do you dispute my point here?

The ex-girlfriend correctly identified the man as unstable, armed, and building bombs in his RV. She handed the cops more than enough to actually do their job and stop a bombing, but they couldn't be bothered. She practically handed them a gift-wrapped arrest.

I guess they should be commended for not pepper spraying the woman before they sent her off to the loony bin.

What do we pay these people for if they can't even be bothered to take a bomb plot seriously? We are all very lucky that our suicide bomber did not intend to kill anyone, because the cops sure as **** wouldn't have stopped him from bombing a large crowd.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Took the girlfriend in for psych evaluation, did nothing about mobile bomb building RV.



Cops are worthless.

Inconsistent on the lawyer's statements, too.

His role as counsel to AQW is a non-sequitur anyways. The crime-fraud exception applies. Then, just like anyone else, there the lawyer is with knowledge of criminal intent, they have to report it or they are an accessory to/co-conspirator.

 

[William Parcher]

This sounds like the part where the Daily Mail said he had been reported to the FBI twice before the explosion.

 

[Bob001]

Took the girlfriend in for psych evaluation, did nothing about mobile bomb building RV.

Cops are worthless.

Wait. The cops screwed up. But they didn't take her to the shrinks because she made the report. From the link:

The police report from August 21, 2019, shows police responded to the home of a woman who had threatened to kill herself......

"South Precinct officers went to Ms. ---- home on the morning of Wednesday, August 21, 2019, on a report from Mr. Throckmorton that Ms. ---- had made suicidal threats to him via telephone and was sitting on her front porch with firearms.
...

And apparently the cops did try to follow up, within their rights and authority.

 

[Checkmite]

I am supremely confident that, one year ago, in 2019, police had the authority to do more than try to knock on somebody's door - once - after somebody reported direct knowledge that person was building bombs.

 

[cosmicaug]

I am supremely confident that, one year ago, in 2019, police had the authority to do more than try to knock on somebody's door - once - after somebody reported direct knowledge that person was building bombs.

It seems, without more details, like it should have been enough for a warrant. It might even have been enough to be considered exigent circumstances and just go in there.

 

[Thermal]

Wait. The cops screwed up. But they didn't take her to the shrinks because she made the report. From the link:



And apparently the cops did try to follow up, within their rights and authority.

Yeah, this. The cops did not have knowledge of bomb making, they had basically a tip. The article also says that the girlfriends lawyer denied permission to search, lacking probable cause (he denies that now, but it is clear that a couple different departments were actively trying to get a look-see in there.

Police can't go breaking down doors because a distraught suicidal girlfriend is making claims. Citizens do have rights, and we should not be anxious to have police breaking down our doors on someone's say-so, because then we end up with Breonna Taylor threads (+/-).

 

[Bob001]

It seems, without more details, like it should have been enough for a warrant. It might even have been enough to be considered exigent circumstances and just go in there.

Really? Your neighbor or co-worker gets mad at you, and tells the police "He's building bombs in his basement." You think that's enough for the police to break into your house? It doesn't work like that. It sounds like the police could have done more than they did, but they don't get to do whatever they want.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

Cops are worthless.

Try human and fallible.

 

[Checkmite]

Really? Your neighbor or co-worker gets mad at you, and tells the police "He's building bombs in his basement." You think that's enough for the police to break into your house?

To search, with a warrant? I don't think it's out of line. You do realize your "angry neighbor or co-worker" will face substantial criminal penalties once it's established that it was a false report, right?

 

[Bob001]

To search, with a warrant? I don't think it's out of line. You do realize your "angry neighbor or co-worker" will face substantial criminal penalties once it's established that it was a false report, right?

Getting a warrant requires more than the claims of a suicidal ex-girlfriend. And a report could be made in a way that would make charges difficult: "I dunno what he's doing, but he talks a lot about building bombs, maybe it's just bs, but he acts kinda weird, maybe you should check it out...." No false report there. And your neighbor/co-worker/ex might be crazy enough to not understand or care whether they could be charged. The question is what standard the cops should have to meet to enter private property, and the law properly sets the standard pretty high.

 

[whoanellie]

Yeah, this. The cops did not have knowledge of bomb making, they had basically a tip. The article also says that the girlfriends lawyer denied permission to search, lacking probable cause (he denies that now, but it is clear that a couple different departments were actively trying to get a look-see in there.

Police can't go breaking down doors because a distraught suicidal girlfriend is making claims. Citizens do have rights, and we should not be anxious to have police breaking down our doors on someone's say-so, because then we end up with Breonna Taylor threads (+/-).

The police get warrants based on tips all the time. They had two witnesses linking AQW to bomb making. The lawyer corroborated the girlfriends info. It was not up to the lawyer to give permission to search or not. He had no legal authority to give the police permission to search. The worst he could have done is said that he would have told his client not to permit a search without a warrant. Regardless, the police could have sought a warrant. Police with a search warrant do not have to break down doors unless, of course, the person upon whom the search warrant is being served refuses to give the police access.

 

[dudalb]

Took the girlfriend in for psych evaluation, did nothing about mobile bomb building RV.

Cops are worthless.

Boy,m talk about sweeping statments...

 

[dudalb]

Try human and fallible.

I think somebody just plain hates cops..though I would love to see whathe suggest we put in their place.

 

[dudalb]

Really? Your neighbor or co-worker gets mad at you, and tells the police "He's building bombs in his basement." You think that's enough for the police to break into your house? It doesn't work like that. It sounds like the police could have done more than they did, but they don't get to do whatever they want.

I suspect police get hundreds of tips like the one we are talking about, and its' just impossible to investigate every one of them.

 

[Thermal]

The police get warrants based on tips all the time. They had two witnesses linking AQW to bomb making. The lawyer corroborated the girlfriends info. It was not up to the lawyer to give permission to search or not. He had no legal authority to give the police permission to search. The worst he could have done is said that he would have told his client not to permit a search without a warrant. Regardless, the police could have sought a warrant. Police with a search warrant do not have to break down doors unless, of course, the person upon whom the search warrant is being served refuses to give the police access.

So how would police request a warrant, given the information they had? "Yo, check it out your Honor: crazy girlfriend who knows jack **** about bombs thinks here boyfriend is making them. Oh, and he's talking about the Army. So we can go shake the brother down, amirite?" We would need a massive police force to conduct searches on every such claim, and I'd rather judges not sign warrants on claims that flimsy. Police States are not desirable to some of us.

If there was a picture of his devices or a more uninvolved party making the accusations, then that's a different story. But with what the police had at the time, I think 'lack of support for a search warrant' was prob the right call. Well, not the right one, but the legal one at the time. In hindsight it sure sucks.

 

[Checkmite]

Getting a warrant requires more than the claims of a suicidal ex-girlfriend. And a report could be made in a way that would make charges difficult: "I dunno what he's doing, but he talks a lot about building bombs, maybe it's just bs, but he acts kinda weird, maybe you should check it out...." No false report there.

Well sure, I can also make up some weak scenario with an ambiguous and unconfident statement about a vague suspicion and say "but, but, but". But that's not the kind of thing we're talking about here; we're talking about an ex-girlfriend stating, definitively, that she knows he is building bombs specifically inside a trailer on his property, and those statements being supported by an attorney who has represented the alleged bomb-builder, saying (essentially) "yes, I have often heard him talking about building bombs and am convinced he is absolutely capable of doing so". Police report