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Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 26

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This is a no brainer. I don't know why anyone even suggested Trump has anything on Putin.

Trump almost certainly has evidence about Russian oligarchs laundering money. But he'd have to admit he helped.

I don't buy into that theory myself, just find it amusing.
And the theory is not so much Trump can embarass Putin, but Donnie knows too much about how deep the pentration of the US Government by Russian agents is, and he might blurt it out if ht thinks it will be to hie policial advantage. I don't find that convincing at all.
 
This is an excellent article by an anti-Trump conservative in The Atlantic. This is the beginning. For the rest of the article, see the link below.
Trump Is Losing His Mind
Peter Wehner

Donald Trump’s descent into madness continues.

The latest manifestation of this is a report in The New York Times that the president is weighing appointing the conspiracy theorist Sidney Powell, who for a time worked on his legal team, to be special counsel to investigate imaginary claims of voter fraud.
As if that were not enough, we also learned that former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, who was pardoned by the president after pleading guilty to lying to the FBI, attended the Friday meeting. Earlier in the week, Flynn, a retired lieutenant general, floated the idea (which he had promoted before) that the president impose martial law and deploy the military to “rerun” the election in several closely contested states that voted against Trump. It appears that Flynn wants to turn them into literal battleground states.

None of this should come as a surprise. Some of us said, even before he became president, that Donald Trump’s Rosetta Stone, the key to deciphering him, was his psychology—his disordered personality, his emotional and mental instability, and his sociopathic tendencies. It was the main reason, though hardly the only reason, I refused to vote for him in 2016 or in 2020, despite having worked in the three previous Republican administrations. Nothing that Trump has done over the past four years has caused me to rethink my assessment, and a great deal has happened to confirm it.
Given Trump’s psychological profile, it was inevitable that when he felt the walls of reality close in on him—in 2020, it was the pandemic, the cratering economy, and his election defeat—he would detach himself even further from reality. It was predictable that the president would assert even more bizarre conspiracy theories. That he would become more enraged and embittered, more desperate and despondent, more consumed by his grievances. That he would go against past supplicants, like Attorney General Bill Barr and Georgia Governor Brian Kemp, and become more aggressive toward his perceived enemies. That his wits would begin to turn, in the words of King Lear. That he would begin to lose his mind.

So he has. And, as a result, President Trump has become even more destabilizing and dangerous.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/12/trump-losing-his-mind/617446/
 
There's no way Putin actually trusted Trump enough to let him in on any real secrets. Remember that Putin came up through the KGB in the old USSR, and made himself the Czar of the new Russia after the USSR fell apart. There's no way he did all that while being stupid. Trump is a useful tool to Putin, nothing more.
Trump is the perfect useful idiot. They world treat like a pet poodle. No way would he be a useful part of anything.
 
Someone on another website just made an interesting suggestion: Trump might be scared that he knows a bit too much about Russian operations in the US that might be embarassing to Putin,and people who might embarass Putin have a way of dying......

A way of dying?
That poster is seriously speculating about Putin killing Trump.

No. As powerful as Putin is, he cannot successfully order a hit on the president.

In fact, if I was Putin, I'd have told Trump a whole lot of fake secrets. You know Trump is too stupid and incompetent to actually figure out that they're fake, but being let in on "The Big Secret" fluffs his ego, and makes him more compliant. And when he inevitably tries to buy his freedom by revealing these fake secrets, the fact that none of them pans out just makes Trump look like an idiot, and probably leads directly to him ending up in jail.

If I were Putin, I’d lead with “the Chinese have infiltrated your intelligence agencies, therefore every time your intelligence agencies insist that Russia is doing something, you will need to ignore their claims and look at the Chinese instead.”


And I don’t think I could hold back “don’t tell anyone, but we are developing hydrosonic weapons. Oh, and invisible airplanes.”
 
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of course Putin can kill Trump.
Not while he is under Secret Service protection, but given Trump's penchant for secret dealings, it wouldn't be hard to get him alone.
And, of course, there are his kids.

Trump has been dealing with organized Russian Crime/Politics long enough to know that it can be lethal to break deals with them.
Why do you think Manafort was so desperate?
 
Trump has been dealing with organized Russian Crime/Politics long enough to know that it can be lethal to break deals with them.
Why do you think Manafort was so desperate?



Except that would require Trump to have learned from the examples of others. Not only do we have no evidence to suggest he can do that, we have a lot of evidence that suggests he can't do it.

He'll look at everyone who ever got whacked by the Russians and think, "Man, that guy was such a loser! Glad I'm a winner, not a loser like him!"
 
Part of me wants to think that Russia understands that killing an American President, even an ex-President, even a hated one, is crossing a very specific, very dangerous line in the sand.

I mean everyone gets that if Russia does "get" Trump... that's not a good thing right?
 
Part of me wants to think that Russia understands that killing an American President, even an ex-President, even a hated one, is crossing a very specific, very dangerous line in the sand.

I mean everyone gets that if Russia does "get" Trump... that's not a good thing right?

Well, trump haters won't care... They will say "good riddance" or "that's what you get for being a Putin stooge".

The MAGAchuds have been so conditioned into thinking "Russia is our friend, it's all the Chinese" that they won't believe that Putin would have done that.

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That's more like Swedish (though I understand, due to historic reasons, there is a large number of Swedish speakers in Finland).

Maybe Finnish is more like lavvelli raakki :o


Ihanat haravat, actually. Remember that Finnish is an entirely different language family. There are very few words that even remotely resemble other Nordic (or most other European) languages.

Hans :p
 
Part of me wants to think that Russia understands that killing an American President, even an ex-President, even a hated one, is crossing a very specific, very dangerous line in the sand.

I mean everyone gets that if Russia does "get" Trump... that's not a good thing right?



It's one of those annoying things that I disagree with in principle, but if it were to actually happen in the specific case, I'd have a hard time getting worked up over. "Oh, dear, they killed Trump (those bastards). Well, we must respond in the firmest terms suitable. Blow up, I don't know, maybe an unmanned weather radar in Siberia?"
 
I guess I see it differently.

1. Just the whole "A foreign power that is the closest thing we have to an Arch-Nemesis assassinating one of our Presidents, even one we don't like, is a bad thing" is just not something I think has to be argued.

2. When your dog goes rabid you deal with it. You don't make your neighbor or your worst enemy do it.
 
I guess I see it differently.

1. Just the whole "A foreign power that is the closest thing we have to an Arch-Nemesis assassinating one of our Presidents, even one we don't like, is a bad thing" is just not something I think has to be argued.


Oh, I agree with you. It's just ... ya know....Trump. Like, okay, we should and probably would retaliate, but don't expect us to be all enthusiastic about it.



2. When your dog goes rabid you deal with it. You don't make your neighbor or your worst enemy do it.


Well, no, you don't make them, but if they shoot first, you also don't bitch them out for it.
 
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