Cont: Brexit: Now What? The Perfect 10.

[ceptimus]

If the foreign fishing fleets are banned from UK waters, fewer fish in total will be caught - which will be good for replenishing dwindling fish stocks. The EU fishing quotas exceed the limits suggested by scientists and are unsustainable anyway.

The shortage of fish for sale will lead to a fish price increase and fish becoming more of a luxury food. Europeans will also have to pay the tariffs if they want to buy our fish.

 

[Lothian]

The shortage of fish for sale will lead to a fish price increase and fish becoming more of a luxury food. .

Basic food items like fish, fresh fruit and vegetables, will becone luxury goods in the new independent UK. Don't recall seeing that on the side of a bus.

 

[Andy_Ross]

There's always fish! It doesn't mention you can't take fish!

This made me laugh although I shouldn't:



Who would have thunk it, a Kent passport. It had better be blue.



Bloody officious gits. Wait till they get our gunboats up'em.

Watch one of the various shows featuring the border forces of Australia, USA or Canada. They take importing banned foods very seriously.

 

[gypsyjackson]

Watch one of the various shows featuring the border forces of Australia, USA or Canada. They take importing banned foods very seriously.

As does the UK. A pilot isn’t meant to bring in a ham sandwich (or a char siew bao, maybe) from China.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/personal-food-plant-and-animal-product-imports

The 2001 FMD outbreak has been suggested to have originated from illegally imported meat.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/mar/27/footandmouth5

The 2000 classical swine fever outbreak in the East of England is thought to have been caused by a pig eating contaminated food discarded in its field... a ham sandwich.

 

[The Don]

Unless the EU change their tune sharpish, we won't deign to grant them a free trade deal.

There will be no post-Brexit trade deal between the UK and EU unless there is a "substantial shift" from Brussels in the coming days, a government source has told the BBC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55381322

The effects of a no-deal Brexit during a national lockdown is going to have a devastating effect. I guess the Conservatives are betting that they can blame all the chaos on Covid and/or the EU rather than it sitting squarely where it belongs.

The UK currently has trade deals for around 10% of its international trade on terms which are the same as, or marginally worse than, those we had as members of the EU.

The EU are understandably sticking to their guns so terms for close to 50% of our international trade will be orders of magnitude worse in the short to medium term and "only" much worse in the long term.

Much of the remaining 40% will be with China, India and the US, countries which drive a very hard bargain indeed. I still have to see any evidence for any kind of wide-scale economic benefit for the UK post-Brexit.

 

[The Don]

As does the UK. A pilot isn’t meant to bring in a ham sandwich (or a char siew bao, maybe) from China.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/personal-food-plant-and-animal-product-imports

The 2001 FMD outbreak has been suggested to have originated from illegally imported meat.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/mar/27/footandmouth5

The 2000 classical swine fever outbreak in the East of England is thought to have been caused by a pig eating contaminated food discarded in its field... a ham sandwich.

Obviously bringing foreign food into the UK is unsafe and unsanitary, but haw dare foreigners impugn English food in this way.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

If the foreign fishing fleets are banned from UK waters, fewer fish in total will be caught.

I don't think that's how it works at all.

Which seems to be a pretty standard reply to anything a Brexiteer says.

 

[malbui]

Europeans will also have to pay the tariffs if they want to buy our fish.

If only EU countries had access to vast fishing waters themselves.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

Interesting paper on fish trade post Brexit here

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201617/ldselect/ldeucom/78/7811.htm

Hadn't also appreciated that not only have we lost EU access but also access to our biggest non-EU markets where the EU had trade arrangements.

Seems like the usual issues that have been done to death. The supply chains/markets are complicated and highly integrated. Domestic UK demand won't substitute for EU demand not just in size but also in what they want. There are complications in processing being done across countries and finished goods being reimported. Tariffs screw everything. Standards will be an issue if the UK deviates from EU standards.

In other words... a ***********.

Meanwhile the Brexiteer lobby insist everything will be OK without any supporting evidence.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

If only EU countries had access to vast fishing waters themselves.

They don't necessarily, it depends on the type of fish. Though they do have access to Norwegian and Icelandic fish via the EEA agreement.

I think the UK accounts for something like 15% of EU fishing quotas.

Though it might also be worth noting that Scotland is over half the UK fishing waters so the EU could get that back in short order.

 

[Archie Gemmill Goal]

John Redwood Tweets

John Redwood
@johnredwood
The EU has made clear they do not want a fair free trade agreement. They want to control our laws, stop us backing our business, and take our fish. Time for an independent UK.

John Redwood's tweets make a lot more sense if you do a Find and Replace with EU for England and UK for Scotland.

 

[Vixen]

If the foreign fishing fleets are banned from UK waters, fewer fish in total will be caught - which will be good for replenishing dwindling fish stocks. The EU fishing quotas exceed the limits suggested by scientists and are unsustainable anyway.

The shortage of fish for sale will lead to a fish price increase and fish becoming more of a luxury food. Europeans will also have to pay the tariffs if they want to buy our fish.

So it's 'Boris the Maritime Ecologist'.


Somebody mentioned salmon. However, that is a freshwater fish and most UK salmon comes from Scottish freshwater salmon farms.

Here in Northern Europe, the salmon comes from Norway. You get twice the size for the same price. It is superior in taste and quality IMV. However, Scottish salmon farmers won't be affected by the fishing dispute, except that under 'no deal', prices might come down if supply outstrips demand. Europeans won't buy it, as Norway salmon is so much cheaper and nicer.

There is a Findus frozen foods version: salmon fillets in breadcrumbs. The ingredients are listed as coming from any of: Norway, Chile [shurely shome mishtake? - Ed] or the Faroe Islands (which I believe belongs to Denmark]. (Yes, dear Reader, I keep these as an emergency meal to go with all the cut price frozen chips I bought recently.)

 

[Vixen]

Watch one of the various shows featuring the border forces of Australia, USA or Canada. They take importing banned foods very seriously.

I think buying a sandwich at Boots chemists is not quite the same thing as trying to smuggle whole suitcase loads of Chinese homeopathic snake venom into Australia. ('It wasn't me what packed it, Officer, it was the wife, who thought they were headache tablets, Officer')

 

[Vixen]

Unless the EU change their tune sharpish, we won't deign to grant them a free trade deal.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55381322

The effects of a no-deal Brexit during a national lockdown is going to have a devastating effect. I guess the Conservatives are betting that they can blame all the chaos on Covid and/or the EU rather than it sitting squarely where it belongs.

The UK currently has trade deals for around 10% of its international trade on terms which are the same as, or marginally worse than, those we had as members of the EU.

The EU are understandably sticking to their guns so terms for close to 50% of our international trade will be orders of magnitude worse in the short to medium term and "only" much worse in the long term.

Much of the remaining 40% will be with China, India and the US, countries which drive a very hard bargain indeed. I still have to see any evidence for any kind of wide-scale economic benefit for the UK post-Brexit.

Think about it: Ford at Brigend - GONE
The new Range Rover design for South Wales - diverted to France
The Nissan production line in Sunderland - GOING

British car industry: going, going, gone!

The money markets - HSBC upped and left to Frankfurt

AVIVA insurance services - hopping it

All for a tiny fishing industry.

 

[Andy_Ross]

If only EU countries had access to vast fishing waters themselves.

Everyone knows our fishing waters are better than all the rest of the Atlantic and EU waters put together, that's why the foreigners are desperate for our superior cockles.

 

[Andy_Ross]

So it's 'Boris the Maritime Ecologist'.


Somebody mentioned salmon. However, that is a freshwater fish and most UK salmon comes from Scottish freshwater salmon farms.

Most salmon farms are in Sea Lochs and coastal pens.
Salmon are raised from imported eggs.

https://www.bestfishes.org.uk/scottish-salmon-farming/scottish-salmon-farm-locations/

 

[Andy_Ross]

I think buying a sandwich at Boots chemists is not quite the same thing as trying to smuggle whole suitcase loads of Chinese homeopathic snake venom into Australia. ('It wasn't me what packed it, Officer, it was the wife, who thought they were headache tablets, Officer')

It will still be confiscated and the person trying to smuggle it in to the country will be fined.
You can even have entry to the country refused.

 

[malbui]

I remember being struck the first time I went to Australia in 2006 by how the customs/biosecurity/whatever blokes were far more stringent in their checks than the pretty lady at the immigration desk was.

 

[Darat]

I remember being struck the first time I went to Australia in 2006 by how the customs/biosecurity/whatever blokes were far more stringent in their checks than the pretty lady at the immigration desk was.

My first trip to Australia was during the foot and mouth outbreak. Talk about being made to feel like lepers, everything was doubled up, packs of dogs roaming the airport, signs which pretty much read as "we will not allow F&M into Australia even if it means your death", had to walk through a sheep-dip. If you had been to a farm in the last 10 years fill in on the declaration form where you wish your ashes to be returned to, if you had seen a cow the last 30 days they would have to remove you eyes which could. be returned to you after under going gamma irradiation. (I may have slightly exaggerated the procedures they had in place, you could get your eyes back when you left the country.)

 

[Vixen]

It will still be confiscated and the person trying to smuggle it in to the country will be fined.
You can even have entry to the country refused.

There are two types of people: those who honour the rules and regulations and those who try to flout them.

For the average commuter travelling abroad, your 'organic matter' in the suitcase will be picked up as you go through security and the security officers might ask you to show them what this object is (for example, it could be a slab of marijuana or it could be a piece of ham).

However, loaded lorries arriving from Dover. Do the customs officials have the time and resources to worry about a poxy sandwich bought from Boots Chemists by the truck driver, when they will be overwhelmed with EORI, VAT, CE, and all kinds of other paperwork, together with random checks on the lorry loads (they don't have the resources even now to check all lorries, which is how illegal immigrants get through).