Cont: Trump et al continued “2020 election” conspiracy theories

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I've become bored of reading accounts from people saying 'OMG - hacking!' only to discover that they simply have seen something they don't understand. That's not evidence of anything except ignorance.


They remind me of my elderly mother, who panicked when Windows asked for permission to update its Malicious Software Removal Tool, because she saw the phrase "malicious software", didn't read the entire message, and didn't understand what was happening.
 
hmm....

listen to the people who actually ran and certified the election
- or -
someone with no direct knowledge making up theories ...


decisions, decisions ...
 
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Jess
@jessiprincey
Rand Paul states over TWO DOZEN states changed their elections laws without going through the legislatures.

Mark R. Levin
@marklevinshow
Rand Paul is right on
Rand Paul: Voter fraud 'happened' and election was in 'many ways stolen'
Sen. Rand Paul railed against voter fraud in the 2020 election during a Senate hearing, saying voter fraud happened and that the election was “in many ways stolen.”
washingtonexaminer.com
 
Get a grip


The avalanche has barely begun.

Will the whole of the avalanche be as substantial as the current breeze?

There is an old adage that the amount of gold in a pile of manure does not increase by adding more manure. It just makes the existing gold harder to find.

So, instead of an avalanche, why not a single arrow, a piercing blow. One case of actual voter fraud that can be proven to have had an impact on the election.
 
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Jess
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Rand Paul states over TWO DOZEN states changed their elections laws without going through the legislatures.

I'm fairly certain that Texas would be on that list. Is Trump willing to give up all the Republican states that changed their rules?

Also, when a legislature gives another body authority to make rules then any rules made by that other body are made by the legislature.
 
Will the whole of the avalanche be as substantial as the current breeze?

There is an old adage that the amount of gold in a pile of manure does not increase by adding more manure. It just makes the existing gold harder to find.

So, instead of an avalanche, why not a single arrow, a piercing blow. One case of actual voter fraud that can be proven to have had an impact on the election.

Or even that could not be proven to have had an impact on the election.

If there were a tiny speck of gold in the pile of manure, it might hint that there could be more.

If they could just come up with one verifiable case of fraud of any sort, that would at least give a hint that there is more where that came from. We could look at the mechanism and see if, possibly, it indicates that there could be a bigger problem.

I think right now what they have is some undigested corn kernels that they are saying are gold.
 
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Just released data shows many thousands of noncitizens voted in Nevada. They are totally ineligible to vote!
 
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Just released data shows many thousands of noncitizens voted in Nevada. They are totally ineligible to vote!


I'm guessing he's talking about Jesse Binall's testimony, which involved claims that judges have already rejected.

"This is real. This happened. We have to address it," Binnall said, as he described tens of thousands of allegedly fraudulent votes in Nevada — many of which were rejected by local and state judges as lacking evidence.


His testimony is here.

Here is what we found:
•Over 42,000 people voted more than once. Our experts were able to make this determination by reviewing the list of actual voters and comparing it to other voters with the same name, address, and date of birth. This method was also able to catch people using different first name variations, such as William and Bill, and individuals who were registered both under a married name and a maiden name.
•At least 1,500 dead people are recorded as voting, as shown by comparing the list of mail voters with the social security death records.
•More than 19,000 people voted even though they did not live in Nevada; to be clear, this does not include military voters or students. These voters were identified by comparing the lists of voters with the U.S. Postal Service’s National Change of Address database,among other sources.
•About 8,000 people voted from non-existent addresses. Here we cross-referenced voters with the Coding Accuracy Support System which allowed our experts to identify undeliverable addresses.
•Over 15,000 votes were cast from commercial or vacant addresses. Our experts found these voters by analyzing official U.S. Postal Service records that flag non-residential addresses and addresses vacant for more than 90 days.
•Incredibly, almost 4,000 non-citizens also voted, as determined by comparing official DMV records of non-citizens to the list of voters in the 2020 election.


Were the people who voted more than once wearing different hats?
 
The thing about the conspiracy is so important.

One of the problems that the Kraken have when they want to claim fraud in court is that they can't just do things like show videos and make nefarious claims. For example, if they actually introduced the Georgia video in court, the first thing that would happen is the workers would be subpoenaed and therefore would come in to testify. And when that happens, everyone would find out that there is nothing unusual going on.

This was what happened in Michigan. Despite the whining of the trumpets, the early court cases actually did address the merits of all the affidavits. And what happened was the defense provided their own witnesses and affidavits, and they weren't random drunk people, they were folks like election officials. This is where you got the judge saying things like that the affidavit claims were based on ignorance of how things worked, and that if the observers had actually come to the orientation session, they would know this stuff.

It wouldn't be like a "hearing" where loons get to rant about nonsense unchallenged.

Oh by the way, this nonsense about how courts are dismissing cases on "technicalities and not on the merits" is just that. Dismissing a case because of laches is exactly based on the merits - or lack thereof. Laches, when it comes to elections, are instituted to prevent the losing candidates to inundate the court with pointless lawsuits trying to throw out the results by claiming the rules weren't fair. IOW, exactly the type of thing that the trumpets are doing.

If the Trump campaign wants to disallow the absentee ballot application form that Wisconsin has used for the last 10 years and 19 election cycles, they have the right sue to do that. But it would only affect the result going forward, and the relief that would be granted is that Wisconsin will have to change the form for elections in the future. It will not and can not have any effect on elections that were carried out in the past on the other form.

They could do this with any other issue. In fact, they (well, someone) DID actually sue over some of the same aspects that were brought up by the Trump campaign (not the application form) in Wisconsin, and they did it before the election. The courts heard the suit and ruled against it, and it wasn't dismissed due to laches. It was overruled on the merits. So the court upheld the process, the state went ahead and used it, and now the campaign wants the court to turn around and pull it out from under them and take those votes away. Of course it's not allowed - no one in their right mind could think this was reasonable. But that's what we are facing.
 
Were the people who voted more than once wearing different hats?

According to the crack attourney Ghooliani, they were Asian, and according witness (snicker) testimony (snicker) they all look the same.
 
How do you dismiss it without seeing it.?

That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, and you have demonstrated time after time, you do not know the difference between claims and evidence.

Dismissed.
 
Get a grip
The avalanche has barely begun.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!!

Oh Bubba, you scamp, it's ovah

306 - 232. As to which Diaper Don once referred "Landslide!"

Toady Barr said:
. . . No evidence of widespread voter fraud.

Chris Krebs said:
. . . Most secure election in U.S. history.

The Turtle said:
I want to congratulate President-Elect Joe Biden . . .

Ovah!
 
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Likewise.
A succession of pro-Trump talking heads, saying things might have happened, but not actually presenting any evidence that these things actually did happen.
Thanks, Bubba. Went to red alert for no good reason. Now I've got to change the light bulb back again.

Bubba has consistently demonstrated he does not have the foggiest notion of the difference between claims and evidence.
 
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THERE IT IS: Fired Cyber Expert Chris Krebs Admits in Senate Hearing that Dominion Voting Machines Linked to the Internet

For months and years, top government officials have assured us the voting machines were NOT connected to the internet.Until today.Fired Director of Cyber Security Chris Krebs told the US Senate Homeland Security Committee on Wednesday that some Dominion Voting Machines were connected to the internet.


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...ing-dominion-voting-machines-linked-internet/

OK, lets examine this claim

"Johnson:
“…but those tabulators are connected on Election Day ’cause that’s how they transmit the data to the counties and also into the official — uhm –“

Krebs:
“In some cases, yes, sir.”


Now, instead of just looking at the carefully cherry-picked sound-bite posted by your so called "source", lets listen to what Chris Krebs actually said at the hearing....

https://youtu.be/xHtobbugTJU?t=4073

NOTE: My comments for context in {} brackets

"some {voting machines} have modems that are typically disabled"

"some {modems} are temporarily activated to transmit counts"

"as you move out from election day {after all in-person voting is finished} there may be tabulators that have internet connections"
Your source deliberately left those parts out to make it seem like he said something different to what he was actually talking about. I wonder why that is?

How do you think the totals from each machine get to where they need to go to compile the election results? Carrier pigeon? Bike messenger? Some guy calls them in with a phone?

Perhaps you should try getting your information from real sources, like these...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/15/...ncing-a-reckless-disinformation-campaign.html

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-gwinnett-dominion-idUSKBN28C1OL
 
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