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Disappearing Santa Hat

DebunkThisPls said:
Look, at this point It's obvious no one believes me, and that's fine, because it's kinda funny from my POV knowing that I'm not lying and all these people on this thread are so confident I am
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I believe you. theprestige has also been giving you good advice. Listen to the people who are trying to help, and ignore those who are not.
 
Ok DtP, I will take your word for age and such. There is nothing to lose by accepting that much.

I have never used correct personal data on anything online, but it's fairly close to correct. Online stalking isn't fun when being stalked. I know.

On the memory thing, I lose stuff all the time and sooner or later is refound wherever I left it. Usually getting distracted and setting it down wherever I am.

I am in my 50's and in relative good health, physical and mental. It's just that I don't multitask well and any distraction is a possible missing item.

My cure is to prepare work clothes and such the night before. Wallet and keys in a pants pocket, any items I may need in the box on the bike before I sleep.
In the morning I can be a potato head and just dress myself, grab the bike and go. Later when I wake up everything should be correct.

Everything possible is a routine. Prepare clothes, charge phone, air up tires and load stuff if required and then relax.
Not all in a day can be included but the regular stuff is. It saves a lot of headaches really.
 
8enotto said:
Ok DtP, I will take your word for age and such. There is nothing to lose by accepting that much.

I have never used correct personal data on anything online, but it's fairly close to correct. Online stalking isn't fun when being stalked. I know.

On the memory thing, I lose stuff all the time and sooner or later is refound wherever I left it. Usually getting distracted and setting it down wherever I am.

I am in my 50's and in relative good health, physical and mental. It's just that I don't multitask well and any distraction is a possible missing item.

My cure is to prepare work clothes and such the night before. Wallet and keys in a pants pocket, any items I may need in the box on the bike before I sleep.
In the morning I can be a potato head and just dress myself, grab the bike and go. Later when I wake up everything should be correct.

Everything possible is a routine. Prepare clothes, charge phone, air up tires and load stuff if required and then relax.
Not all in a day can be included but the regular stuff is. It saves a lot of headaches really.
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Thank you for your answer and believing me. I'll be sure to try that out
 
Matthew Ellard said:
Your story has changed again. You first said you overheard your parents talking about internet banking. You then posted that you made an error and it was a phone bill and not a mortgage account (How did you know? ). Now you are saying you told them everything....and here you still are, posting details about your school.

Try getting your stories right next time.
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I just said I didnt tell them about the phone bill, just about the age thing. What are you even talking about? And did you even check out this link? https://www.instagram.com/tcuboy24/

I mean it's not definitive proof, but you can look at the likes and comments I have and almost all are from kids who have AHS'24 in their bio

I also said twice now that I assumed originally it was the mortgage, then I asked and my dad said it was the phone bill, before he admitted he was joking and it was the cable, then I was told the next day how it worked and debunked it myself. And I don't think saying my whole county is virtual is a big deal, most schools are
 
DebunkThisPls, I'm curious about the connection between the Santa hat mystery, and your fear and anxiety. Is there some explanation you have in mind for the movements of the hat, that has repercussions that frighten you? It's not that I want to argue about the possible explanations; I want to understand the fear.

I look at it this way: a rat could easily move a Santa hat from a couch in one room to a bed in another. I'm not saying that's at all likely to have happened. But say it was a rat. Would you be terrified of that rat? Would its hat-moving powers frighten you? (It's understandable that anyone might be disgusted or annoyed to discover there's a rodent in their house; they might worry about it ruining foodstuffs or spreading disease. But is there a good reason to be scared of the rat itself?)

And I'd feel pretty much the same if instead of a hat-moving rat it was a hat-moving demon from the innermost circle of Hell. If its capabilities are more or less the same as those of a rat, why be any more afraid of it than of a rat?

Now, your turn. Suppose the cause of the hat's unexplained movements really is whichever one scares you the most. Is that fear really justified? If so, how?
 
Myriad said:
DebunkThisPls, I'm curious about the connection between the Santa hat mystery, and your fear and anxiety. Is there some explanation you have in mind for the movements of the hat, that has repercussions that frighten you? It's not that I want to argue about the possible explanations; I want to understand the fear.

I look at it this way: a rat could easily move a Santa hat from a couch in one room to a bed in another. I'm not saying that's at all likely to have happened. But say it was a rat. Would you be terrified of that rat? Would its hat-moving powers frighten you? (It's understandable that anyone might be disgusted or annoyed to discover there's a rodent in their house; they might worry about it ruining foodstuffs or spreading disease. But is there a good reason to be scared of the rat itself?)

And I'd feel pretty much the same if instead of a hat-moving rat it was a hat-moving demon from the innermost circle of Hell. If its capabilities are more or less the same as those of a rat, why be any more afraid of it than of a rat?

Now, your turn. Suppose the cause of the hat's unexplained movements really is whichever one scares you the most. Is that fear really justified? If so, how?
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I mean my fear here is that its a "glitch in the matrix" so I think, at least in my opinion, it's justified to not wanna be a piece of code in a computer. Although now, as I do think it out and calm down, I do believe it was just me being absentminded and forgetful. Although I'm still not 100% about my memory of seeing the hat with the lights off, which wouldve been impossible. My only explanation is a false memory, it's just a bit strange that it felt so weird, and that tonight when watching a TV with the lights off, the reflection the TV made on the hat was almost identical to the one I had a memory of, even though yesterday was the first time I've ever had the hat with the lights off, at least this year
 
alfaniner said:
That never even crossed my mind. What an excellent speculation! :thumbsup: (to be clear, I'm serious)
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It's an example of the principle "never think that you've thought of all the possibilities", which is a good general skeptical principle, applicable to many fields - UFOs, ghosts, poltergeists, Bigfoot, etc.
 
Myriad said:
I'd say I'm 99.9% sure I really put the ring in the box on purpose and then forgot I'd done so. Even though one would think finding it missing from my finger would be quite a strong "memory jog."
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It's possible you had a short TGA. Alone, doing a repetitive task, you might easily not have noticed.

I've had two TGAs, the first time I lost 18 hours and the second about two hours. It's disconcerting, to say the least. They were part of a series of memory glitches, major and minor, which ceased when I discontinued taking a statin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient_global_amnesia
 
DebunkThisPls said:
I mean my fear here is that its a "glitch in the matrix" so I think, at least in my opinion, it's justified to not wanna be a piece of code in a computer.
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Fair enough. Thanks for answering and explaining.

Suppose it turns out, some scientists prove tomorrow beyond all doubt that in fact we are just pieces of code in a computer.

Now, if that's true, it clearly implies we've always been pieces of code in a computer, right? And that everyone else we know is and always has been pieces of code in a computer. And this intricate fascinating world we think we live in is just more code. Okay... what's the problem? It's still the people and the world and the self you know.

There's a panel in a comic book called the Cartoon History of the Universe. It's in a chapter about ancient Mesopotamia, and the caption explains that the basic diet of ancient Mesopotamians consisted almost entirely of bread and onions. In the panel itself, one peasant is asking another, "Don't you get tired of bread and onions?" And the other one replies, in bewilderment, "Tired of food?!?

You can play the role of the first guy in the panel, asking "Aren't you afraid we're all just code in a computer?" And I'll be the one who replies, "Afraid of life?!?

And the same reply applies to people who are afraid or disappointed that we must just be complex behaviors emerging in interacting particles, or we're all just creations of a deity for the purpose of occasionally noticing how cool the world is and praising said deity, or if our lives in this world are nothing but an endless repetitive training exercise into which we get reincarnated over and over until we learn to behave better despite having our memories erased every time around, or if all of existence is just sparks in the tiny brain of a dreaming butterfly. All ontologies suck in their own ways, but only our actual experiences matter.
 
Butter! said:
I just don't think it's unusual for someone who is learning skeptical thinking to circle around a lot. It took me years as a teen to fully believe that God wasn't trying to send me signs and warnings via coincidences. I needed reassurance constantly, and there was no one to give it to me. Maybe I'm way off in recognizing similarities here, but I don't think so.
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This is a good point. I'm going to take a step back and give it some thought.

If you're tired of repeating yourself, ignore the thread.
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A perfectly cromulent option. I'm actually in the midst of deciding whether it's time to take that step.

Also, why you gotta call my post a "rant?" It's so dismissive and rude. Must everything be written in the detached tone of a term paper? Thanks, but I've written my fill of those. I'm here to have chats.
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I called it a "rant" because a post that doesn't quote anyone else or address their points directly, and opens with a sarcastic "Way to make skeptics look like the good guys, everybody. Well done!" doesn't seem very much like a "chat" to me. You want to have a chat with someone about the way they're engaging with the topic, direct your posts to them.

Arth and DTP both listed you as one of the "good" posters ITT anyway, so not sure why you're bothered. I don't recall you attacking DTP the way Matthew did.
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I'm bothered because you said "everybody" and not "Matthew". If you didn't mean for everybody to be bothered, you probably shouldn't have directed your rant chat at everybody.

Do you think Matthew's angle is reasonable?
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I am entirely uninterested in chatting about Matthew's angle.
 
DebunkThisPls said:
I can totally understand it from your POV, plus you've been pretty nice and helpful. I don't even know what to say about what Matthew is saying, he's just being ridiculous now. Although that is a crazy coincidence I suppose
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Getting back on topic: you've mentioned simulation theory and glitches. All your threads seem to ask "explain how this isn't a glitch in the matrix', but you seem to shy away from talking about it directly. Is this something you think about a lot? This is entirely the right place to discuss it, and there are a treasure trove of posters with valuable input.
 
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