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Disappearing Santa Hat

Thermal said:
OP, you describe multiple trips back and forth to the kitchen and bedroom while you were watching a show. So many you couldn't even estimate closely. That sounds a lot like you were fidgety that evening. Fidgety people often pick things up absent-mindedly and move them around, completely unaware that they are doing so.

If you set the hat next to you, watched a two hour show, and then it vanished and you saw Vladamir Putin wearing it during a press conference, that would be cause for alarm. I don't see that your Santa hat being a few feet from where you last recalled it should be causing any angst.
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Sorry I'm not sure if i mistyped or made a mistake but I moved before the movie started, and didn't move during the movie. I believe I got up once, maybe twice before the movie, but I was a bit anxious and fidgety so I could totally see it there. Then it's just about why I remember seeing it during the movie, but because I only saw it once, and if it was truly there I wouldve or should've seen it at least 3-5 times, I think that it's just a false memory, although it does kinda freak me out how realistic it feels when I think back on it. And for number 2, I got up once or twice again after seeing it last and i was very anxious and fidgety there, so once again I can see it, the only two I don't understand for sure is why in number 1 the memory of the Hat feels so real if it was impossible it couldve been there, and in 2 why my mom didn't see the hat, although I do think she couldve missed it easily being quite distracted at the time. And maybe how I grabbed the hat in the first one, as it wouldve been 3-5 feet behind me, so I wouldve had to turn around, grab it, and forget too
 
DebunkThisPls said:
Sorry I'm not sure if i mistyped or made a mistake but I moved before the movie started, and didn't move during the movie. I believe I got up once, maybe twice before the movie, but I was a bit anxious and fidgety so I could totally see it there. Then it's just about why I remember seeing it during the movie, but because I only saw it once, and if it was truly there I wouldve or should've seen it at least 3-5 times, I think that it's just a false memory, although it does kinda freak me out how realistic it feels when I think back on it. And for number 2, I got up once or twice again after seeing it last and i was very anxious and fidgety there, so once again I can see it, the only two I don't understand for sure is why in number 1 the memory of the Hat feels so real if it was impossible it couldve been there, and in 2 why my mom didn't see the hat, although I do think she couldve missed it easily being quite distracted at the time. And maybe how I grabbed the hat in the first one, as it wouldve been 3-5 feet behind me, so I wouldve had to turn around, grab it, and forget too
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No.

You know you're absent-minded.

You know your memory is unreliable.

You need to stop using your memory as a source of truth for what is or is not going on around you.

This is a medical problem that needs proper medical care and support. Not going to the same Internet strangers for the same explanation for the same issues every day.
 
DebunkThisPls said:
I really need an answer from a skeptic. This just happened about 20 minutes ago. I had a Santa hat that I left on the couch. It was there for maybe 2 hours, at least I know for a fact it was, and walked in and out of the living room several times between 8-10. But at around 10, i started watching a movie with my sister. I was on the couch the whole time, didn't move once. I am 99.999% sure the Santa hat was beside me. I have a memory of looking at it, in the dark with the TV on. The room was only dark during the movie, when I didn't move, and I haven't had the hat since the first when I put it in the closet by mistake and just never felt like getting it. Ok, but the big part is that I walked into my bedroom at around 11 when the movie was over (it was a TV special but same thing) I saw it sitting on my bed. Now, between 8-10 I walked into my room at least 5-10 times. I don't have a memory of moving it, and my sister nor my mom saw me do so, but it is possible I moved it and forgot about it, which I've doing a lot recently. Yet that doesn't explain why I remember seeing it. It's really, really, scaring me. I'm kinda freaking out right now, and I know I can't get a definitive answer, I just could really use some speculation about this

Edit: Now that I think about it, between 8-10, the last time that I know for a fact that I saw it, I only got up once, and I did go in that area, but I don't remember walking over far enough to grab rhe hat, as I wouldve had to walk over at least another 5-10 feet

Edit 2: Just had the Hat in my room, right next to a shirt on my bed. I was laying down. I got up once but I can't remember if it was before or after I had placed it here. It's not there. Found it in the same place I thought saw it the other time. I'm scared out of my mind. No one's playing a prank on me, I was with the whole family the whole time, except for my dad but he was in my parents room and never got up once. We only have two hats and one has a much bigger pom pom, so it's very easy to tell the difference between the two. My mom and sister remember seeing the Hat before the movie started so I couldn't have hallucinated the whole thing, it's still possible I hallucinated or misremebered one part, but it was there at one point in time. And for the second one I know for a fact I had it there because I even took a picture, as i was so scared what happened the first time might happen again and i wanted to be skeptical and sure I had it. Now, I don't know when I went in the other room, I just know that i walked to around that area of the couch , talked to my mom, and said told her I was going to bed. I don't remember, at least 100% if I saw the Hat when I went into my room, as my memory there is a bit foggy since I cut the lights off and i tend to forget when i can't see well. But look, I'm really, really scared right now. I don't think this is real anymore, I think this may be a simulation. I know I've had lots of these issues over the last couple months as a result of my depression and anxiety, but those times I had possible explanations, this time I have people who saw it with me and I can't wrap my head around either one
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https://www.verywellfamily.com/is-someone-gaslighting-you-4147470
 
DebunkThisPls said:
my sister was right by me, and she's 9, I can always tell when she's lying because she dies laughing
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You should seriously consider the possibility that your sister has multiple lying modes and not all of them have laughter as a tell.

You know about the times she's given away her lie with laughter. This tells you nothing about how many times she's lied without giving it away.

From everything we know about confirmation bias, it's entirely possible that there have been times you've caught her in a lie, that didn't involve her laughing about it.

From everything you've told us about your own problems with memory, it's entirely possible that you've caught her in lies without laughter multiple times, and just don't remember it.

You're an unreliable narrator.

You know you're an unreliable narrator.

It's super weird that you keep trying to present your narration as a reliable account that we should all trust as factual and try to explain. The best explanation from the evidence is that you're not paying attention and you're remembering things wrong.
 
theprestige said:
You should seriously consider the possibility that your sister has multiple lying modes and not all of them have laughter as a tell.

You know about the times she's given away her lie with laughter. This tells you nothing about how many times she's lied without giving it away.

From everything we know about confirmation bias, it's entirely possible that there have been times you've caught her in a lie, that didn't involve her laughing about it.

From everything you've told us about your own problems with memory, it's entirely possible that you've caught her in lies without laughter multiple times, and just don't remember it.

You're an unreliable narrator.

You know you're an unreliable narrator.

It's super weird that you keep trying to present your narration as a reliable account that we should all trust as factual and try to explain. The best explanation from the evidence is that you're not paying attention and you're remembering things wrong.
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Ok let's assume that she does have different lying modes. She was sitting next to me the whole time, never got up. And she was asleep in her room on the other side of the house when the second one went "missing". Even if she wasn't asleep, she didn't sneak into my room, reach over onto my side of the bed, and move it without me seeing it
 
DebunkThisPls said:
Ok let's assume that she does have different lying modes.
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Done.

She was sitting next to me the whole time, never got up.
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So you say now. But:
- we know you don't always notice things.
- we know you don't always remember things.
- we know you don't always give an accurate account of things.
So we have no reason to believe she was actually sitting next to you the whole time. The simplest explanation is that it probably didn't happen exactly the way you're telling it.
And she was asleep in her room on the other side of the house when the second one went "missing".
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So you say now. But:
- we know you don't always notice things.
- we know you don't always remember things.
- we know you don't always give an accurate account of things.
So we have no reason to believe she was actually sitting next to you the whole time. The simplest explanation is that it probably didn't happen exactly the way you're telling it.
Even if she wasn't asleep, she didn't sneak into my room, reach over onto my side of the bed, and move it without me seeing it
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So you say now. But:
- we know you don't always notice things.
- we know you don't always remember things.
- we know you don't always give an accurate account of things.
So we have no reason to believe she was actually sitting next to you the whole time. The simplest explanation is that it probably didn't happen exactly the way you're telling it.
 
DebunkThisPls said:
My family was with me the whole time. My mom never moved, my dad was in the other room and never came into the living room, my sister was right by me, and she's 9, I can always tell when she's lying because she dies laughing
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The link I provided is not an accusation. It's a consideration to help you determine possible explanations to your situation. To determine what happened you must use logic and above all remain calm.

From your description there are only a few possibilities. Here are two:

1. You moved or misplaced the hat.
2. Someone else moved or misplaced the hat.

In the first, you moved or misplaced the hat and don't remember doing so. This seems to have frightened you. Even though you admit to multiple interactions with the hat, each a possibility for its movement, you seem to be concerned about not remembering if you moved it or not. The timing is what it's about and you should not be overly concerned about the lack of a specific memory of moving the hat. In other words there's nothing of which to be frightened. I'll give you an example:

During a home remodel in which I was routinely using a measuring tape in multiple rooms, I had a habit of misplacing the measuring tape. It was not frightening to me though. I realized I had a lot of stuff on my mind about what I was doing (distractions) and was simply overlooking the placement of the measuring tape when I had finished using it, or, my wife used it and had placed it elsewhere. There were no concerns of loss of sanity or even anxiety about the missing tape. Since I was using the tape in multiple rooms, I'd have to go to each to locate it and a few times even had to ask my wife "Have you seen the measuring tape?" After a few of these "searches" I went to the local hardware store and purchased several cheap measuring tapes and left one in each room. Presto, problem solved!

Now I'm not suggesting you purchase a Santa hat for each room of your house. I'm suggesting the possibility that due to a distraction during multiple interactions with the hat, you may have misplaced the hat without realizing it. And that's not scary at all, it's normal.

Option two: Someone else moved the hat. It's entirely possible someone else moved the hat unnoticed by you. I realize you are firm in your position that your family members could not have moved it, but was there ever a distraction you may be overlooking during that time. For instance, you took a bathroom break. Or your sister sitting close to you grabbed the hat when the room was dark without you noticing. There could be multiple innocent explanations from a simple sibling prank to your Mom just picking up after you. Again none need be frightening.
 
theprestige said:
Done.


So you say now. But:
- we know you don't always notice things.
- we know you don't always remember things.
- we know you don't always give an accurate account of things.
So we have no reason to believe she was actually sitting next to you the whole time. The simplest explanation is that it probably didn't happen exactly the way you're telling it.

So you say now. But:
- we know you don't always notice things.
- we know you don't always remember things.
- we know you don't always give an accurate account of things.
So we have no reason to believe she was actually sitting next to you the whole time. The simplest explanation is that it probably didn't happen exactly the way you're telling it.

So you say now. But:
- we know you don't always notice things.
- we know you don't always remember things.
- we know you don't always give an accurate account of things.
So we have no reason to believe she was actually sitting next to you the whole time. The simplest explanation is that it probably didn't happen exactly the way you're telling it.
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Ok I like the explanations others gave about me putting them there and forgetting it since that has some evidence, whereas this is nearly impossible. I mean, once again, my mom was with me in there the whole time too, and she also said that my sister was there the whole time. And it's also impossible she couldve snuck into my room, with the door locked, when she has no key, then climb over me to get the hat, and move it without me seeing or hearing her, no chance
 
DebunkThisPls said:
Ok I like the explanations others gave about me putting them there and forgetting it since that has some evidence, whereas this is nearly impossible. I mean, once again, my mom was with me in there the whole time too, and she also said that my sister was there the whole time. And it's also impossible she couldve snuck into my room, with the door locked, when she has no key, then climb over me to get the hat, and move it without me seeing or hearing her, no chance
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The simplest explanation is still that things didn't happen exactly as you describe.

There is no good explanation where something scary is happening that needs to be explained. Except perhaps in your own head. Which is beyond the scope of this forum.
 
theprestige said:
The simplest explanation is still that things didn't happen exactly as you describe.

There is no good explanation where something scary is happening that needs to be explained. Except perhaps in your own head. Which is beyond the scope of this forum.
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Fair enough, just wanted to clear up that the whole someone else moving it was nearly impossible. I still think, at least now think, that it was just an absentmindness thing, just kinda creepy when it happens I guess
 
DebunkThisPls said:
Also, I don't know how to post a picture,
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Step 1 : Save you photo as a jpeg file on your computer
Step 2 : Respond to this post and go to "Manage attachments" and up load your photo.

It is that easy........so show us the photo you specifically took to show us of the Christmas hat on the sofa.
 
theprestige said:
The simplest explanation is still that things didn't happen exactly as you describe.

There is no good explanation where something scary is happening that needs to be explained. Except perhaps in your own head. Which is beyond the scope of this forum.
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Matthew Ellard said:
Step 1 : Save you photo as a jpeg file on your computer
Step 2 : Respond to this post and go to "Manage attachments" and up load your photo.

It is that easy........so show us the photo you specifically took to show us of the Christmas hat on the sofa.
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Can I do the same on mobile? I'm on my phone rn and was when i took the picture
 
Matthew Ellard said:

So you are a 14 year old with a mobile phone who takes photos to show skeptics .....with no knowledge on how to download photos from a mobile phone?

Pull my other leg.
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Please tell me if this shows up

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Matthew Ellard said:
Tell us more about your application of simulation theory to missing Christmas hats. Do they teach simulation theory to 14 year olds in Texas?
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I don't remember exactly where I heard about it, but I think Elon Musk said something about it and that got me "interested" (I put it in quotations because it wasn't a good interest, it was an anxious/depressed interest). And the whole missing Santa hat thing has something to do with it, because the whole thing scared me and it felt like a "glitch in the matrix" type experience.
 
Matthew Ellard said:
Where is the sofa? What software did you crop the photo on?
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I said that the first one went missing when i was on the couch and i saw it on my bed. The second one I placed on my bed and saw it on the couch. I said this several times in the thread earlier. This was the picture I took before the second experience. That is my blanket
 
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