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Disappearing Santa Hat

Fair enough, just wanted to clear up that the whole someone else moving it was nearly impossible.
You're not paying attention. You're telling us a story about it being nearly impossible, but you're also telling us very clearly that we can't trust your stories. The simplest explanation is that it wasn't nearly impossible, and your story about it being nearly impossible is inaccurate.

I still think, at least now think, that it was just an absentmindness thing, just kinda creepy when it happens I guess
Yeah, you think it's absentmindedness now, but tomorrow you'll have absentmindedly forgotten how absentminded you are, and start thinking something scary is happening.

Get help.

Nobody here has been "extremely helpful", since nobody here has actually helped you in any lasting or meaningful way. The explanations you've been given are supposed to be tools you can use in the future to help yourself. You keep dropping the tools on the ground and asking for help. Stop doing that.
 
Dudes, friends, guys - hold up a second.

Maybe this poster is full of **** and maybe they're not, but either way, shouldn't we respond to the opportunity in at least partial good faith for the sake of lurkers wanting to learn about skepticism and all? Tearing new posters with questions apart is not the way. Even if they're acting a bit weird. So what?

Besides, I'm actually a dog. I've been lying this whole time.


ETA - The panic and thought-loops read as legitimate to me, but it's also possible I'm quite gullible with regard to that subject matter (due to personal weakness and sympathy - aka potential blind spots).
 
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Dudes, friends, guys - hold up a second.

Maybe this poster is full of **** and maybe they're not, but either way, shouldn't we respond to the opportunity in at least partial good faith for the sake of lurkers wanting to learn about skepticism and all? Tearing new posters with questions apart is not the way. Even if they're acting a bit weird. So what?

Besides, I'm actually a dog. I've been lying this whole time.

Look, I can assure you I'm telling the truth, but thank you for that. It's really rough that I'm scared and can't think straight already, and now people are just ripping into me being quite rude because once a couple weeks ago I accidently said I lived in Texas instead of saying I was visiting Texas.
 
Look, I can assure you I'm telling the truth, but thank you for that. It's really rough that I'm scared and can't think straight already, and now people are just ripping into me being quite rude because once a couple weeks ago I accidently said I lived in Texas instead of saying I was visiting Texas.

I believe you're freaked out by coincidences and things you're noticing, which is what you came here to ask about.
 
It's amazing your parents gave you their password for their bank account, as you are only 14. Don't you agree?

(This is a clear trap based on what you previously wrote and forgot about.)

What are you talking about? This is a free forum, I used my school email to sign up for it. If you're referring to one question I asked where the Thermal comment was, that was because I overheard them talking about it, not even overheard, I was right next to them, and it got me curious. And yes, i saw that you said that this was a clear trap, but I don't even see the point of you typing this. Once again, just please, if you don't believe me, stop harassing me and just move on.
 
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Many years ago, I was working on my former house to help it sell. We had already moved, but I would live there for a week at a time while working on floors and similar projects, alone. I had enough basic kitchen stuff to cook and eat meals, a mattress and bedding to sleep on, and so forth. I also had all the tools I needed for the projects.

At one point, over the course of two days, I pressure-washed the entire exterior, and then raked the yard. It was autumn and unseasonably cold. My hands were wet and half-numb all through both days. On the second evening, I realized my wedding ring, which had always fit a little loosely, was missing.

I searched for it for another two days, going over every inch of ground looking for where it had slipped off and then possibly got stepped on to press it down into the mud. (The house was surrounded with mud after the pressure-washing.) When that didn't work, I borrowed a metal detector and searched for it that way, including un-bagging all the already bagged leaves I had raked up and spreading them out and going over them with the metal detector, so thoroughly that I did find a small rusty nail and a few pieces of wire. But no ring.

With no choice, I got back to work and eventually completed the move. Eight months later, at our new place, I went to get some gardening tools from a sturdy wooden box we hadn't yet unpacked. Securely and carefully placed in a bottom corner of that box was my long-lost ring.

No, it couldn't have fallen into the box while I was working. The box wasn't outdoors with me then, it was stacked up with other things to be moved on my next round trip. Clearly I had worried about the ring falling off in the cold wet conditions, and had placed it somewhere it couldn't possibly end up left behind. But I had no memory of having done that. It almost makes sense that I didn't remember doing it at the time I found the ring the following summer, but I hadn't even remembered it a day later, or else I wouldn't have gone to extremes to search for the ring in the yard. Even though it had been a sensible and thought-out and somewhat unusual decision to take it off and put it there. Not like putting your keys down in some random place after walking into your home.

I'm not, generally speaking, an absentminded person who often misplaces or forgets things. Yet, that happened. Absolutely true story.

The more interesting question is, what can you do about it? You might consider exercises designed to "train your will" that you can find in books or web sites. Such exercises typically involve doing things that have no value or benefit to you other than that you decided to do them and then really did. A beneficial side effect of this is that it teaches you to pay more attention to your ordinary surroundings and your own routine behaviors. Too many people more or less sleepwalk through their lives. Fourteen is a perfect age to learn to do otherwise.

(Here is a list of 100 suggestions for such actions. Please don't annoy Violet. Or if you do, please don't tell her I sent you there.)
 
Fascinating. So you were able to subsequently clarify that is was a mortgage account, with periodic payments and an automatic payment amount calculator and the exact amount of money, after overhearing your parents once?

Or are you going to claim that your parent subsequently told you all about the account, knowing you were talking to complete strangers on a forum at 12.45 Midnight.....after you posted your full name, address and school?

(I'd love to get you into the witness box):p

All they even mentioned was that they accidently set up automatic payment and how much money it was for, I only knew a small ammount of information and that was it
 
Dudes, friends, guys - hold up a second.

Maybe this poster is full of **** and maybe they're not, but either way, shouldn't we respond to the opportunity in at least partial good faith for the sake of lurkers wanting to learn about skepticism and all? Tearing new posters with questions apart is not the way. Even if they're acting a bit weird. So what?
This is the third or fourth such thread about the same concerns, which have already been addressed three or four times with the same basic skeptical framework. Any lurker who wanted to learn about skepticism and how it's applied has had three or four such opportunities.

When someone brings the same problem four times, gets the same solution four times, and fails to internalize that solution four times, one of two things is going on:

Either they're unable to internalize the solution;

Or they're unwilling to internalize the solution.

Either way, the appropriate response is basically the same: stop enabling the dysfunction.
 
Many years ago, I was working on my former house to help it sell. We had already moved, but I would live there for a week at a time while working on floors and similar projects, alone. I had enough basic kitchen stuff to cook and eat meals, a mattress and bedding to sleep on, and so forth. I also had all the tools I needed for the projects.

At one point, over the course of two days, I pressure-washed the entire exterior, and then raked the yard. It was autumn and unseasonably cold. My hands were wet and half-numb all through both days. On the second evening, I realized my wedding ring, which had always fit a little loosely, was missing.

I searched for it for another two days, going over every inch of ground looking for where it had slipped off and then possibly got stepped on to press it down into the mud. (The house was surrounded with mud after the pressure-washing.) When that didn't work, I borrowed a metal detector and searched for it that way, including un-bagging all the already bagged leaves I had raked up and spreading them out and going over them with the metal detector, so thoroughly that I did find a small rusty nail and a few pieces of wire. But no ring.

With no choice, I got back to work and eventually completed the move. Eight months later, at our new place, I went to get some gardening tools from a sturdy wooden box we hadn't yet unpacked. Securely and carefully placed in a bottom corner of that box was my long-lost ring.

No, it couldn't have fallen into the box while I was working. The box wasn't outdoors with me then, it was stacked up with other things to be moved on my next round trip. Clearly I had worried about the ring falling off in the cold wet conditions, and had placed it somewhere it couldn't possibly end up left behind. But I had no memory of having done that. It almost makes sense that I didn't remember doing it at the time I found the ring the following summer, but I hadn't even remembered it a day later, or else I wouldn't have gone to extremes to search for the ring in the yard. Even though it had been a sensible and thought-out and somewhat unusual decision to take it off and put it there. Not like putting your keys down in some random place after walking into your home.

I'm not, generally speaking, an absentminded person who often misplaces or forgets things. Yet, that happened. Absolutely true story.

The more interesting question is, what can you do about it? You might consider exercises designed to "train your will" that you can find in books or web sites. Such exercises typically involve doing things that have no value or benefit to you other than that you decided to do them and then really did. A beneficial side effect of this is that it teaches you to pay more attention to your ordinary surroundings and your own routine behaviors. Too many people more or less sleepwalk through their lives. Fourteen is a perfect age to learn to do otherwise.

(Here is a list of 100 suggestions for such actions. Please don't annoy Violet. Or if you do, please don't tell her I sent you there.)


That's a fascinating story, it just proves how weird our brains are, no? But you are 100% sure it was just a memory thing, right? And I'll be sure to check that link out, thanks a ton!
 
So you were lying again, when you corrected yourself and said it was a mortgage account and not the phone bill?

Fascinating. Do you have many auto pay options on your other internet banking accounts?

When i overheard them, I assumed they were talking about the mortgage, they corrected me when I asked and said it was the cable bill (I said phone at first on that thread, as i asked my dad who said phone as a joke and then corrected himself a couple minutes later) I admitted this on the thread as a memory issue and a dumb assumption. And for the second one, I believe they told me this info, but someone else might ve said it on the thread, I'm not sure because it's been weeks
 
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When i overheard them, I assumed they were talking about the mortgage, they corrected me when I asked and said it was the cable bill

Soooooo.....in a single conversation your parents corrected you and said it was the cable bill..........so you logged into the forum and said it was the mortgage payment and corrected yourself two days later even though you knew it was the cable bill all the time?

You are not very good at lying.
:p

(Have you ever wondered why detectives keep asking the same questions over and over in a slightly different way?)
 
Soooooo.....in a single conversation your parents corrected you and said it was the cable bill..........so you logged into the forum and said it was the mortgage payment and corrected yourself two days later even though you knew it was the cable bill all the time?

You are not very good at lying.
:p

(Have you ever wondered why detectives keep asking the same questions over and over in a slightly different way?)

What? I made the original thread before i was aware it was the cable bill, as i assumed. Then later i realised how stupid it was to not get more info so i asked my dad, who said, as a joke, that it was the phone bill. I added that to the forum, and about ten minutes later he asked me what it was for, i said i was trying to learn how it couldve happened, he said it was the cable bill, and then my mom, who's much more helpful told me how it could've been set up by mistake the next day when she woke up. I even added that into that thread towards the end several weeks ago, it might've been on Thanksgiving
 
35th dimensional Santa Hat stealing demons, In fact all your future questions can and will be answered with 'Nth' dimensional demons.

I suggest getting a magic 8ball, it'll be far more useful to you.
 
That's a fascinating story, it just proves how weird our brains are, no? But you are 100% sure it was just a memory thing, right? And I'll be sure to check that link out, thanks a ton!


I'd say I'm 99.9% sure I really put the ring in the box on purpose and then forgot I'd done so. Even though one would think finding it missing from my finger would be quite a strong "memory jog."

There's a very small chance that the ring flew off my finger while I was working (just as I suspected while I searched) but happened to land in the box and work its way into one of its corners. And maybe I'm remembering wrong when I recall that the box was not in any location where that could have happened. But if it was in such a location, then it would have been among the places I searched for it (I searched everywhere it could have fallen or been flung to), and if I'd searched for it in the box I would have found it.

I was living and working completely alone (until I had to borrow the metal detector from a neighbor) so there's no chance someone else moved it, even with beneficial intentions. Let alone someone snatching it off my finger (I not only didn't remember putting it in the box, I didn't remember taking it off at all). A ninja thief would have taken it, not hidden it among my own possessions.

What else is there to consider? The weird and supernatural? I'm willing to consider that but it doesn't wash as a narrative in this case. This ring, by its composition, construction, binding to its counterpart, and decades of use, would be an artifact (in the AD&D sense) too powerful for any ordinary hat-meddling spirit or poltergeist to touch. And why would some ifrit, throne, demon, enlightened master, or deity want to mess with my ring?
 
I created this account in VA, I've said several times it was a funeral, don't believe I said it was a vacation, and if i did, I was referring to this as a vacation from home. I also said i put in a random DOB as I didn't want people online to know my real DOB. And it automatically put in NYC because I had location services off, but when it asked for my time zone they used NYC as the example for Eastern Time, so I'd assume it automatically put that there. I also don't even know 100% if that was why I mentioned NYC there, as it was weeks ago. And I didn't wanna talk about simulation theory, I only have small background knowledge of the science behind the idea, I really made it to try and Debunk simulation theory, or more so the weird experiences I've had

Edit: I also made this account in June or July I believe, I just scrolled through and never posted until last month
What? I made the original thread before i was aware it was the cable bill, as i assumed. Then later i realised how stupid it was to not get more info so i asked my dad, who said, as a joke, that it was the phone bill. I added that to the forum, and about ten minutes later he asked me what it was for, i said i was trying to learn how it couldve happened, he said it was the cable bill, and then my mom, who's much more helpful told me how it could've been set up by mistake the next day when she woke up. I even added that into that thread towards the end several weeks ago, it might've been on Thanksgiving

This reminds me of one of those cartoon car tires that has so many patches and repairs on it that there's nothing of the original tire left.
 
This reminds me of one of those cartoon car tires that has so many patches and repairs on it that there's nothing of the original tire left.

Look, at this point It's obvious no one believes me, and that's fine, because it's kinda funny from my POV knowing that I'm not lying and all these people on this thread are so confident I am
 
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Dudes, friends, guys - hold up a second.

Maybe this poster is full of **** and maybe they're not, but either way, shouldn't we respond to the opportunity in at least partial good faith for the sake of lurkers wanting to learn about skepticism and all? Tearing new posters with questions apart is not the way. Even if they're acting a bit weird. So what?
This.

DebunkThisPls, I've been giving you good advice, right? Here's what I suggest you do right now. Take any post by Matthew Ellard, click his name, and select "Add Matthew Ellard to Your Ignore List". That way you won't have to see any of his hostile and confrontational posts. They aren't helping you.
 

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