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Chinese and Israeli troops are occupying Northwest WI? What the hell for? There's nothing there! :confused:

Man, Q-Anon'ers are pathetically bad at geography...

Having lived there for a year, I can say no one occupies Northwest WI voluntarily. It's more a punishment then any anything else.
 
I dunno. transportation is kind of important. What agencies fall under the DoT?

The big ones? The FAA, NHSTA, Federal Highway Administration, Federal Railroad Administration, Pipeline and Hazardous Material Safety Division, a few others.

Up until 2003 they owned the Coast Guard as well with the (hardly ever used) caveat that the Department of Defense could take control of the Coast Guard in a time of war, but the Coast Guard falls under the Department of Homeland Defense now.
 
With all the talk about whether Pete Buttigieg has enough transportation experience, I do find it interesting that in the US there is some sort of expectation that Cabinet Secretaries will have experience in the field they are appointed to. Perhaps that’s because there is a wide field to choose from.

In the UK, we rarely have Cabinet Ministers who are experienced in the field, as they are appointed from about 330 (give or take) MPs from the side which won the election. Civil servants generally see the Minister’s role as one of being a disinterested arbiter and policy setter. We want someone who is quick to learn, and who can weigh up the evidence, costs, and benefits without preconceived positions. Political advisers attached to their office can recommend how options will play politically. Ministers often move departments a few times in their careers. Off the top of my head, I can’t think of a single Transport Secretary in the UK who has transportation experience.

[Just went to look, and since I have been able to vote, there have been lawyers, academics, career politicians, writers, someone who worked for Michael Dukakis in 88 (!), a printer, a TV exec, a miner, a financier, and an entrepreneur. The last sold used cars inter alia, which sort of qualifies at an enormous stretch. Finally I forgot John Prescott, who was a merchant seaman for many years.]

I don’t generally comment on UK policies, so I leave it to you to work out whether the US or the UK’s system is better. To pluck an example at random, try the work of...Chris Grayling.
 
With all the talk about whether Pete Buttigieg has enough transportation experience, I do find it interesting that in the US there is some sort of expectation that Cabinet Secretaries will have experience in the field they are appointed to. Perhaps that’s because there is a wide field to choose from.

In the UK, we rarely have Cabinet Ministers who are experienced in the field, as they are appointed from about 330 (give or take) MPs from the side which won the election. Civil servants generally see the Minister’s role as one of being a disinterested arbiter and policy setter. We want someone who is quick to learn, and who can weigh up the evidence, costs, and benefits without preconceived positions. Political advisers attached to their office can recommend how options will play politically. Ministers often move departments a few times in their careers. Off the top of my head, I can’t think of a single Transport Secretary in the UK who has transportation experience.

[Just went to look, and since I have been able to vote, there have been lawyers, academics, career politicians, writers, someone who worked for Michael Dukakis in 88 (!), a printer, a TV exec, a miner, a financier, and an entrepreneur. The last sold used cars inter alia, which sort of qualifies at an enormous stretch. Finally I forgot John Prescott, who was a merchant seaman for many years.]

I don’t generally comment on UK policies, so I leave it to you to work out whether the US or the UK’s system is better. To pluck an example at random, try the work of...Chris Grayling.

I'm a political junkie and rarely do the Cabinet Secretaries have specific experience in the US. So we're not really different.
 
Cabinet appointees often have no experience in the subject of the office they're appointed to, but, when that is the case, they do at least usually have more high-level political experience instead; it's the next step for somebody who's been on a certain kind of career path for a while already. Appointing somebody who has neither is what stands out as just a transparent case of trying really hard to give that person some material for his/her résumé where you normally would put somebody who already had more of a résumé, trying to make a star out of somebody who isn't one as if that were cosmic mistake in need of correction. It's not exactly rare, just uncommon enough to be conspicuous.
 
Mayor Pete (who was who I voted for in the pirmary) will be the new Secratary of Transportation.

Not a pick I would have made;no substantial experience in transportation. At least it's better than Chao whose only qualification is that she married a turtle.
 
Relatively speaking, he can't screw too much up. This might also be grooming him for other things later on, it's like a starter house for him.

If any grooming is being done it's by Pete for Pete - which is not all that big a deal. However, if a big push on infrastructure is on Biden's agenda, then having a competent, experienced DOT guy at the helm would be a plus.
 
Not a pick I would have made;no substantial experience in transportation. At least it's better than Chao whose only qualification is that she married a turtle.

That’s unfair if Wikipedia is accurate. Apparently she had experience in Department of Transportation under Reagan and Bush I, before she married McConnell.
 
I dunno. transportation is kind of important. What agencies fall under the DoT? There are quite a few safety and environmental issues the DoT addresses.
Per wiki:

Federal Aviation Administration*(FAA)

Federal Highway Administration*(FHWA)

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration*(FMCSA)

Federal Railroad Administration*(FRA)

Federal Transit Administration*(FTA)

Maritime Administration*(MARAD)

National Highway Traffic Safety Administration*(NHTSA)

Office of Inspector General*(OIG)

Office of the Secretary of Transportation*(OST)

Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration*(PHMSA)

Saint Lawrence Seaway Development Corporation*(SLSDC)

John A. Volpe National Transportation Systems Center

Bureau of Transportation Statistics*(BTS)
 
I'm a political junkie and rarely do the Cabinet Secretaries have specific experience in the US. So we're not really different.

Cabinet appointees often have no experience in the subject of the office they're appointed to, but, when that is the case, they do at least usually have more high-level political experience instead; it's the next step for somebody who's been on a certain kind of career path for a while already. Appointing somebody who has neither is what stands out as just a transparent case of trying really hard to give that person some material for his/her résumé where you normally would put somebody who already had more of a résumé, trying to make a star out of somebody who isn't one as if that were cosmic mistake in need of correction. It's not exactly rare, just uncommon enough to be conspicuous.

Thanks, both.
 
Re: Mayor Pete for Transportation secretary...
What exactly would you consider "expertise in Transportation"? Should Biden have hired a truck driver? Train Engineer?
Construction manager for a $2B bridge project...or any other huge infrastructure project.
Why is that any better than the experience of being a mayor?

Yes, if you are a construction manager you will have experience in organizing a pool of labor, dealing with logistics and supplies, etc.

As a mayor, you may not deal with such things on a nitty-gritty level, but you do have to worry about things at a higher level, like traffic patterns/community planning, taxation/funding, dealing with multiple levels of government, etc.. All of that would seem to be just as relevant (if not more so) for a potential secretary of transportation than "How do I build a bridge". Your construction manager probably never had to deal with any of those issues.
 
Cabinet appointees often have no experience in the subject of the office they're appointed to, but, when that is the case, they do at least usually have more high-level political experience instead; it's the next step for somebody who's been on a certain kind of career path for a while already. Appointing somebody who has neither is what stands out as just a transparent case of trying really hard to give that person some material for his/her résumé where you normally would put somebody who already had more of a résumé, trying to make a star out of somebody who isn't one as if that were cosmic mistake in need of correction. It's not exactly rare, just uncommon enough to be conspicuous.

Except Buttigieg is a star. There's a great interest in not just rewarding a young up and comer, but giving him a place to flourish. He's really at a dead end in Indiana since the State is dominated by the GOP.

On one hand I think his lack of experience could make him a terrible pick. On the other hand, career bureaucrats do most of the real work anyway. But they often aren't that good with the press. This is where Pete could be an inspired pick. Few people I've seen are as good as he is in dealing with a hostile press.
 
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*Raises* So why is AOC such a goddamned rockstar for going straight from bartender to small time publisher to local activist to political campaign help straight to goddamn SENATOR?
 
*Raises* So why is AOC such a goddamned rockstar for going straight from bartender to small time publisher to local activist to political campaign help straight to goddamn SENATOR?

Because she actually relates to the working class since she is one of them. And compared to most politicians in either party she is technologically savvy. She understands how to use the Internet as a medium better than all these old goats who barely know how to use a computer.
 
Cabinet appointees often have no experience in the subject of the office they're appointed to
Well, lets take a look at Obama's cabinet (in his first term)...

Sec. of State: Clinton... as a senator served on a commission dealing with European relations, as well as the armed services committee (not to mention her series of connections from things like the Clinton Foundation, and her time as first lady)

Treasury: Geither... former president of the NY federal reserve bank

Defense: Gates... previously a member of a think tank that dealt with various middle east conflicts

Att. General: Holder... worked for the justice department and as a judge

Interior: Salazar... served in the Colorado department of natural resources

Agriculture: Vilsack... as gov. in Iowa, was involved in dealing with ethanol production

Commerce: Locke... May not have been a businessman, but he did serve as a gov.

Labor: Solis... member of several chambers of commerce and civil rights/workers rights organizations

Health and Human services: Sebelius... was on an insurance commission (so at least some familiarity with health care issues). Also served gov. of kansas (with whatever responsibility that comes with HHS on a state level)

Transport: LaHood... Was on the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee

(Those are just the first ones I came across)

So it does look like it is more common than not to have someone with pre-existing expertise in the cabinet posting they are taking over.
 
Re: Buttigieg

Along with all of the earnest technocratic nuts-and-bolts, politics involves satisfying a number of private interests.

In Transportation look to numerous examples of FAA's lax oversight. If you want to know what's safe in air travel or how a plane went down, ask the NTSB. The FAA, though is sort of the bargaining table where what is safe gets squared against what is practical (read: profitable).

A similar example in Labor is NIOSH and OSHA. NIOSH will tell you how much time at how many decibels until you are damaging your cochlea. OSHA will tell you how long until you can ask your boss for hearing protection (and occasional brief interruptions might be interpreted as no longer "continuous", neatly skirting the requirement anyways).

Those sorts of levers and of course big infrastructure projects to hand out. That's the patronage available to someone in that post.

I don't know what Buttigieg tends to do in terms of ethical good governance. I imagine he will paddle the boat where he's instructed to paddle it.

Glancing over a lot of other picks weighs more in my mind as indicators of what that direction is than anything about Buttigieg himself.
 
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I'm curious why Pete is qualified for this, or any, cabinet position.

He was the mayor of a small city for a few years and... that's really it. He was briefly the frontrunner in the very earliest days of the primary and strategically withdrew to help Biden win.

Doesn't seem like he has any expertise in Transportation, and his only qualification is that Biden owes him a favor.

I've seen it mentioned that he actually had a good vision on the subject that he had expressed during the primaries. Not as much when it comes to immediately relevant qualifications, though. I'm going to be cautiously optimistic about the pick, though, with the expectation that Buttigieg will be getting more useful experience with the federal government as one of the major benefits.

Do you think Elaine Chao had Transportation had expertise when she was made Secretary of Transportation? I think your question is a fair one but if he hires the right staff, it doesn't matter.

Elaine Chao's biggest qualification was likely being Mitch McConnell's wife and her willingness to put Kentucky 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, with a primary focus there on helping people who helped McConnell.

In short, Elaine Chao is a really, really terrible person to put up as someone to treat as acceptable.

"Be more progressive." Buttigeig is one of the people the progressive up and decided they hated very, very much during the primaries.

Not exactly. "Hate" is fairly certainly pretty far off the mark for the bulk of progressives. Did not want him, sure, though, as he was pretty well telegraphing that Republicans would use his distinct inexperience to play him like a fiddle. He's a good guy, by the look of it, though, and an excellent communicator. As was observed during the primaries, he's a potential good future Presidential candidate once he's got more experience under his belt, and this is a way to help him get that experience.


*Raises* So why is AOC such a goddamned rockstar for going straight from bartender to small time publisher to local activist to political campaign help straight to goddamn SENATOR?

Correction: Congresswoman, not Senator. It'd be great if she were a senator, though.

Because she actually relates to the working class since she is one of them. And compared to most politicians in either party she is technologically savvy. She understands how to use the Internet as a medium better than all these old goats who barely know how to use a computer.

Add to that her appearance, her politics, her wit and hard work, the way the GOP really obviously fears her and thus tries to demonize her (which puts her far, far more in the spotlight)... Plenty more could be said, really, but I think that's enough of an addition for the moment.
 
If any grooming is being done it's by Pete for Pete - which is not all that big a deal. However, if a big push on infrastructure is on Biden's agenda, then having a competent, experienced DOT guy at the helm would be a plus.

I had totally forgotten until reminded, but Biden's attack ad on Buttigieg in the primary was literally just pointing out that Buttigieg's experience as mayor was chump stuff compared to the Federal gov.

Biden literally ran an ad summarizing Buttigieg's experience in infrastructure as installing decorative lights and brickwork around the city.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHjm9ySZqB0&feature=youtu.be
 
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