2020 United States presidential election - Conspiracy theories, alleged fraud, etc

[gnome]

Among the unfathomable parts so this fiasico is the fact that Trump discouraged his supported from using mail in ballots. So why wouldn't anyone expect the ballots to favor Biden.

If I though Trump had the foresight, one might believe it was a scheme to plant a seed for a challenge without delving too deep into conspiracy theory. But I simply cannot give the administration credit for that amount of competence.

I think it's quite possible one of Trump's advisors suggested it. It fits together well enough, and Trump would think it supremely clever. Get all the Republicans to vote in person, then question the absentee ballots, but not take any court action until after the election.

 

[Resume]

On a related note, has the State of Texas released the calculations by which the odds of a Biden victory were determined to be 1,000,000,000,000 to one, or whatever even more ridiculous number they're claiming? Dissecting the fallacies involved in it could be entertaining.

Dave

So out of a nearly infinite amount of things happening in the universe at any moment, a thing happened?

Got it.

 

[smartcooky]

I think it's quite possible one of Trump's advisors suggested it. It fits together well enough, and Trump would think it supremely clever. Get all the Republicans to vote in person, then question the absentee ballots, but not take any court action until after the election.

Well if a Trump advisor suggested that, that he is either a complete idiot or absolutely brilliant.... he/she suggested a course of action that was nigh on certain to fail.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Essentially. Dr. Cicchetti assumes that the probability that a given Pennsylvania voter would vote for Joe Biden in 2020 is identical to the probability that a given Pennsylvania voter would have voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. Yes, that's a jaw-dropper.

I'm still trying to fathom how he thinks he can derive a variance from a single data point.

Dave

 

[Hellbound]

I'm still trying to fathom how he thinks he can derive a variance from a single data point.

Dave

Step 1: Acquire data point
Step 2: *mumblemumble*
Step 3: Prooven!

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I'm still trying to fathom how he thinks he can derive a variance from a single data point.

Charles J. Cicchetti donated to Trump's 2016 campaign.
https://www.opensecrets.org/donor-lookup/results?name=charles+Cicchetti

I have only found a handful of two day old web-pages, that identified Cicchetti's mathematical errors. I imagine this will rapidly increase.

His Wikipedia page claims he is a managing director at Berkeley Research Group, a commercial firm for commercial dispute resolution. Therefore I imagine he will have to offer a retraction or explain his errors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Cicchetti

I then went to the Berkeley Research Group's home-page and looked at "staff". His photo has now been removed suggesting BRG is preparing for damage control from poor work, which will hurt the client base.
https://www.thinkbrg.com/people/?page=2&letter=C

 

[Bubba]

Video: Yes Dominion machines CAN manipulate/chnage outcome

Remember in 2004 how the Florida election official demonstrated how Diebold machines flipped votes from Kerry to Bush??

Now, in Coffee County, Georgia, an elections supervisor demonstrated in recent videos posted online how Dominion Voting Systems voting software allows votes to be changed through an “adjudication” process. The process allows the operator to add vote marks to a scanned ballot as well as invalidate vote marks already on the ballot.

As the Coffee County supervisor, Misty Martin, showed, the system can be set to allow adjudication of all scanned ballots, even blank ones, and effectively allow the operator to vote those ballots.

The videos were posted by local news site Douglas Now, whose publisher, Robert Preston, told The Epoch Times they were filmed this week in the local election office.

“According to our election folks, this Dominion system is flawed, not secure, and open to manipulation if someone were so inclined,” Preston said in a Facebook message.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/elect...dium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-12-10-6

 

[Resume]

An elections supervisor in Coffee County, Georgia, demonstrated in recent videos posted online how Dominion Voting Systems voting software allows votes to be changed through an “adjudication” process. The process allows the operator to add vote marks to a scanned ballot as well as invalidate vote marks already on the ballot.





https://www.theepochtimes.com/elect...dium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-12-10-6

You see Bubba, there is a large yawning chasm of a difference between claiming a thing, and demonstrating that thing actually occurred. Oh Bubba you scamp, didn't your sources tell you that?

 

[Hlafordlaes]

I think it's quite possible one of Trump's advisors suggested it. It fits together well enough, and Trump would think it supremely clever. Get all the Republicans to vote in person, then question the absentee ballots, but not take any court action until after the election.

My impression was that this was Trump's clear goal all along, including the claim of victory election night to evoke a later claim of "stolen election".

 

[Meadmaker]

Remember in 2004 how the Florida election official demonstrated how Diebold machines flipped votes from Kerry to Bush??

Now, in Coffee County, Georgia, an elections supervisor demonstrated in recent videos posted online how Dominion Voting Systems voting software allows votes to be changed through an “adjudication” process. The process allows the operator to add vote marks to a scanned ballot as well as invalidate vote marks already on the ballot.





https://www.theepochtimes.com/elect...dium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-12-10-6

It's true. They can. What's your point? You even posted a video earlier to a guy from Dominion describing the process, how to do it, and why it exists.

 

[surrogate]

Remember in 2004 how the Florida election official demonstrated how Diebold machines flipped votes from Kerry to Bush??

Now, in Coffee County, Georgia, an elections supervisor demonstrated in recent videos posted online how Dominion Voting Systems voting software allows votes to be changed through an “adjudication” process. The process allows the operator to add vote marks to a scanned ballot as well as invalidate vote marks already on the ballot.





https://www.theepochtimes.com/elect...dium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-12-10-6

Which party chose to use the Dominion machines? I guess this is what happens when the mentally inferior party is in charge. I think it is about time the Republicans sit down, shut up and crawl back into their holes and let the non-moron party make all the decisions.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

....an elections supervisor demonstrated in recent videos posted online how Dominion Voting Systems voting software allows votes to be changed through an “adjudication” process.

"The videos were posted by local news site Douglas Now, whose publisher, Robert Preston, told The Epoch Times they were filmed this week in the local election office."

Here is the original You Tube video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46CAKyyObls&feature=emb_logo

Bubba is now going to tell us the name of the "Election supervisor" in this video and the local election office that allowed Douglas Now to forge ballot on government software.

 

[Meadmaker]

You see Bubba, there is a large yawning chasm of a difference between claiming a thing, and demonstrating that thing actually occurred. Oh Bubba you scamp, didn't your sources tell you that?

For those curious and who don't want to follow links, in Georgia, the rules during the original count was that some ballots would be scored as a vote for Trump, and others as a vote for Biden, and others as ambiguous, flagged for review. At that point a canvassing board would look at the ambiguous ballot and decide if they agreed who it was a vote for, and they would manually register a vote for that candidate. They could do that for any vote.

I assume a log was created whenever that happened, but I wouldn't swear to it. The video I saw, I believe posted by Bubba, had a Dominion executive describing the process, and how it was part of audit procedures that could be used to ensure accuracy of the vote count.

Every voting system can be used fraudulently. Dominion went to fairly high lengths to catch people who tried, but I'm sure it can be defeated, like any other method.

ETA:I succumbed to temptation, and watched the Georgia video. Yes, the election supervisor can change votes. What's the point? That's true of every single voting system. It's just stupid to say that's evidence of anything at all.

 

[Resume]

I assume a log was created whenever that happened, but I wouldn't swear to it. The video I saw, I believe posted by Bubba, had a Dominion executive describing the process, and how it was part of audit procedures that could be used to ensure accuracy of the vote count.

Every voting system can be used fraudulently. Dominion went to fairly high lengths to catch people who tried, but I'm sure it can be defeated, like any other method.

Yes, and that has yet to be demonstrated to have occurred in this election in any case, much less in sufficient instances to overturn election results.

Claims are not evidence in and of themselves. Here's how it might happen is no evidence that it did happen.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

Why not grant Putin dual citizenship, and run him for president? I'm sure the GOP can find a way to allow him to run both Nations simultaneously, and this way they can cut out the middleman.

We let the Russians interfere with the 2016 election and decide who our President would be. Except for Twitter blocking the Russian disinformation campaign about Hunter Biden being investigated for criminal activity, our government/tech/mass media did nothing to stop Russian interference in the 2020 election either.

In the interest of efficiency, we should just make Putin the Supreme Elector who decides who our leaders should be. No more expensive and time consuming elections to worry about. Just leave it up to Putin.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

Well if a Trump advisor suggested that, that he is either a complete idiot or absolutely brilliant.... he/she suggested a course of action that was nigh on certain to fail.

"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread" - and sometimes it pays off.

I'm pretty sure it Trump himself came up with the idea. You see, just as in 2016, his gut told him there was good chance he would lose, so he got the lie in early to make sure it was firmly implanted in his supporter's minds. And it worked brilliantly! 75% of republicans now believe Biden stole the election, and the cash is rolling in.

But I don't think his plan was that clever - I think mail-in voting was just a handy target for fraud accusations coupled with a vague notion that it would somehow discourage democrats from voting. That's why they left it too late to take action - because they didn't have a cunning plan.

If Trump was really clever he would have gotten republicans to commit massive voter fraud, and then there would be real evidence that stood up in court. Imagine that, republicans stuffing ballot boxes with Biden votes so they could convince the courts to turn the decision over to state legislatures! That would be real genius because democrats would have nothing to counter it with. Lucky for us Trump is no genius.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

The election in 2016 was never considered ‘stolen’. It was, however, considered to have had massive amounts of manipulation placed on it via hacking, media manipulation, and other efforts. Top that all off with a rather nasty October surprise and it’s understandable that some folks are angry about it. But I doubt many Democrats consider it to have been ‘stolen’.



When come back, bring real party.

Yes, the 2016 election was stolen and only a Nazi ******** would think otherwise. Watch CNN and learn what's going on in the world

 

[Roger Ramjets]

Yes, the election supervisor can change votes. What's the point? That's true of every single voting system. It's just stupid to say that's evidence of anything at all.

It doesn't need to be evidence, just insinuation. The more you pile on the greater the weight becomes, until people come to believe there must be some fire behind that 'smoke'. Combine that with an emotional need to believe that Trump should have won and you have them eating out of your hand.

So Bubba, how much money have you donated to Trump's 'election defense' fund? Please give generously - Trump has a lot of debt to pay off, and may soon be getting a massive bill for back-taxes.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Remember in 2004 how the Florida election official demonstrated how Diebold machines flipped votes from Kerry to Bush??

Now, in Coffee County, Georgia, an elections supervisor demonstrated in recent videos posted online how Dominion Voting Systems voting software allows votes to be changed through an “adjudication” process. The process allows the operator to add vote marks to a scanned ballot as well as invalidate vote marks already on the ballot.





https://www.theepochtimes.com/elect...dium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-12-10-6

As our corporate expert on scanned document management, I'm willing to bet that is not how the process actually works at election time. Far from it, I would expect.

The only "document adjustment" I have seen allowed for real ballots in batch scanning is to ensure they are scanned neatly and clearly, are the right way up, and are not partially-scanned, folded or obscured in any way. That is, they are ready to go to adjudication elsewhere. Real adjudication would be a multi-step process with supervisory oversight should ANY changes be required. And all this would be under observation by scrutineers (in some cases, it will be decided by scrutineers).

Instead, what she demonstrated looks like a basic user training system, not a real ballot capture station. It is small, slow and extremely basic, and all "controls" have been turned off.

In short, horse-****.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

In short, horse-****.

Yep. That's why the you tube video claimed it was filmed in an electoral office but can't say where, nor name the "electoral officer" doing it.