2020 United States presidential election - Conspiracy theories, alleged fraud, etc

Status
Not open for further replies.

Venom

Philosopher
Joined
Apr 28, 2011
Messages
6,684
Location
United States
Let's get all the ******** out of the way.

Which states have special election laws that the CTists have interpreted as "suspicious" ?

What about the 138,000+ votes in Michigan that were "100 percent" for Biden?

I assume this was just a snapshot in time and the keyboard warriors were doing their armchair arithmetic from their computers. Is there any word from the actual election stations about what caused that?
 
I am expecting great things from that Qanon wackjob just elected from Tennesee to the US COngress...
 
Twitter and Facebook from what I've seen.
Same places where aliens were confirmed by Bob Woodward after he was beamed aboard their spaceship by Hillary Clinton from Comet Ping Pong pizza parlour. So obviously they are journals of record. :rolleyes:

Until some reputable source produces any evidence, not even worth considering beyond having a laff.
 
The conspiracy and fraud claims related to this election are pure tantrum. I expect them to continue.
 
The Republican party's plan seems clear. Where possible, prevent the preprocessing of absentee votes, which were projected to favor Democrats. That means in-person voting, which was predicted to favor Republican candidates, makes it look like a Republican win on election night. Then file lawsuits to prevent counting absentee votes, on the grounds that it's improper to do so or that it's being done improperly. Argue that the swing to the left means the "abnormally" cast votes are probably fraudulently cast, since they don't statistically resemble the "normal" votes cast on Election Day. Then rely on the judiciary to invalidate votes that are unfavorable to their candidates.

I get how they might have hoped to fool the general public with this, to cast doubt on the validity of a Biden victory. But how they thought this could get past a court is beyond me. What I've seen of the lawsuits are laughably flimsy. And we've seen at least one of them summarily dismissed. If the plan is to foment conspiracy theories, why take the extra step of adding a filing fee to it? I doubt many of these lawsuits will make it very far.
 
"SharpieGate" seems to be going around. It's a claim that AZ vote was rigged by giving Trump voters sharpies (permanent markers) to fill their ballots out, which would be rejected as invalid by the voting machine. The idea being that in person voting favored Trump, so poll workers sabotaged the process by giving out improper markers at the polls to decrease turnout.

This was pretty much debunked right away, but it's still going around conservative social media.

Sharpies are actually fine to vote with and don't cause any problems. They actually are preferred as they are fast drying and dont smear nearly as much.
 
as long as the MAGA crowd doesn't learn about the Space Brain Laser in Hillary's garage our plan should work.
 
Last edited:
Trump himself has used absentee voting for ages, hasn't he?

So, is he actually admitting that he has engaged in electoral fraud? And many members of his family...Are they all fraudsters?
 
As posted in another thread by Galaxie :

https://eu.jsonline.com/story/news/...ks-pennsylvania-cast-late-ballots/6182506002/

if true, this is a clear case of Election Fraud, incited by the Trump Campaign.

I'm not even sure it rises to the level of competence required for commission of an actual offence. It's entirely based on the presumption that there are literally thousands of potential Trump voters who registered for postal votes in good time for the election but were too lazy or too stupid to return them, and now can be motivated to get off their arses and send them in late to save the day at the eleventh hour (well, you know what I mean). If these people were too ******* idle to send their ballots in on time, why are they going to get off their arses and send them in now?

Dave
 
I'm not even sure it rises to the level of competence required for commission of an actual offence. It's entirely based on the presumption that there are literally thousands of potential Trump voters who registered for postal votes in good time for the election but were too lazy or too stupid to return them, and now can be motivated to get off their arses and send them in late to save the day at the eleventh hour (well, you know what I mean). If these people were too ******* idle to send their ballots in on time, why are they going to get off their arses and send them in now?

Dave

"your Honor, yes, my Client conspired to have someone killed, but come on! He clearly never had a chance to succeed because the plan was so dumb! You have to dismiss all charges"!
 
This question might be better asked here rather than the election thread: has there ever been a notable case of election fraud in the history of the US? If so, any in the past fifty years?
 
Trump himself has used absentee voting for ages, hasn't he?

So, is he actually admitting that he has engaged in electoral fraud? And many members of his family...Are they all fraudsters?


Absentee voting is perfectly fine. It's voting by mail that's rife with fraud and needs to be disqualified.

What's the difference? Well obviously it ... What's that over there?!? {Smokebomb} (Sneak out the back door)
 
This question might be better asked here rather than the election thread: has there ever been a notable case of election fraud in the history of the US? If so, any in the past fifty years?

Election fraud, yes. Voter fraud -- a subset of election fraud -- yes, but almost unheard of. Election fraud includes such things as deceptive voter suppression tactics, improper mass handling of ballots, improper mass registrations, and a whole lot of stuff that can be committed before the election occurs. Some have had the potential to affect results. Most do not.

Voter fraud in the past fifty years has almost never occurred. That's stuff like casting someone else's absentee ballot, trying to vote more than once, voting when you're not registered or eligible, voting in a district other than where you live. The major university study that passed quickly under my eyes in the past few days (murky, so I don't recall citations or accurate details) identified on the order of 1,500 cases of voter fraud or attempted voter fraud in 2 billion votes cast. For any given vote in the 2020 Presidential election, that's a prior probably of p < 7.5 × 10-7 that the vote was cast fraudulently.

In my home state of Utah we've voted almost exclusively by mail for the past 10 years. We have a very robust, effective, and efficient protocol for handling ballots accountably, including bipartisan observation and control.

However, this is the first year our primary elections were done by mail. The Republican primary is a closed election, so the clerks had to introduce provisions to send ballots to, and make eligible, only registered Republican voters. The Democrats previously had a primary caucus, which they abandoned this year because of the pandemic in favor of an open primary (any eligible voter can vote). And for the first time, 17-year-olds could register to vote if they would turn 18 on or before Election Day. But due to a programming error, primary election ballots were sent prematurely to those 17-year-olds. But because they're barcoded, it was a trivial matter to instruct the tally computer to reject those if they were somehow submitted. There is a bipartisan audit trail for everything like that.

The other thing that has happened in my state is that parents have filled out mail-in ballots for their sons and daughters serving out of town as Mormon missionaries. State law allows them to vote as absentees in that case, and the ballots were completed at the instructions of the actual voters. The parents just acted as proxies. But this is still very illegal, and they got caught. The signature-matching test failed. Ballots cannot be forwarded, but it's the voter's responsibility to make sure it's mailed to the address where they are physically located.

In short, the claims that voter fraud is a serious problem, or has been at any time in the recent past, have no basis in historical fact.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top Bottom