Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 26

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acbytesla said:
Re: Are presidental self-pardons legal...
My guess is that it will be tested this time.
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It's a pretty fair bet.
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I have doubts...

That Stubby McBonespurs might try self-pardoning wouldn't be surprising. But to test it, the federal government would have to 1) decide to bring a case against Trump, and 2) push for it to get to the supreme court. I can see Biden deciding not to follow through with all that because he wants to "heal the nation".
My dream scenario is Trump resigns because Pence said he would pardon him and then Pence doesn't.

Oooops!
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The trouble is, that would make Pence look like he actually has principles (if only for a brief amount of time), when in reality he is as much of a scumbag as the rest of Trump's enablers.

Plus, what would be in it for Pence? If Trump resigns and makes Pence president and Pence doesn't grant him a pardon, if/when Trump does get charged it will remind people that "oh yeah, you stood by while a con-artist wrecked the country". He'd be better off to grant the pardon in hope that it would curtail any criminal proceedings, so he could claim "There is no proof he is a criminal... the pardon was to prevent a witch hunt".
 
The Don said:
Yeah, it's 15% because there are 3 times as many people who have had it, than have been tested positive for it......



......or something :rolleyes:
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Thank Gawd we aren't testing effectively. Whew!
Imagine if we had been testing/isolating/tracing. Horrors! [emoji20]
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MRC_Hans said:
Currently, about 4.5% of the US population has been tested positive. The number of tests performed is about 221 million. But of course, a number of people have been tested multiple times. So, perhaps the 15% is an extrapolation estimating the actual number of cases.



I can't find suitable data to check that.



Hans
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No worries... he can't either. [emoji20]
 
Segnosaur said:
I have doubts...

That Stubby McBonespurs might try self-pardoning wouldn't be surprising. But to test it, the federal government would have to 1) decide to bring a case against Trump, and 2) push for it to get to the supreme court. I can see Biden deciding not to follow through with all that because he wants to "heal the nation".
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And I think he would be right. Don't grant Donald the attention. Don't wrestle with pigs. Let him fade into the background.

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
What? Me worry?



... At this point I don't, any longer. He will go down. How much noise he will make remains to be seen, but ... he will go down.



Hans
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I said somewhere here his downfall will be epic. Dangerous, but epic.
Auditing PoliSci lectures in 20 years just for the lols... who's with me? [emoji1]
 
MRC_Hans said:
And I think he would be right. Don't grant Donald the attention. Don't wrestle with pigs. Let him fade into the background.

Hans
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Well. You are more disciplined than I am.
Letting President Chucklehead pardon himself and his family in order to move the nation forward is a mighty big pill to swallow.

And I have to wonder if the nation heals faster or more thoroughly by not challenging such pardons.


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Wait. I want to change my answer.
I think the best approach is for Biden to say “Donald does not have the power to pardon himself. But rather than go through a court battle to prove I am right, I will simply pardon him myself.”

That would annoy the **** out of Trump and there would be no way for him to bring a suit saying his self-pardon means Biden cannot pardon him.
 
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Ladewig said:
Well. You are more disciplined than I am.
Letting President Chucklehead pardon himself and his family in order to move the nation forward is a mighty big pill to swallow.

And I have to wonder if the nation heals faster or more thoroughly by not challenging such pardons.
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Well, it is basically insane that a president can pardon people, especially himself. Get rid of that.

As for DJT, loosing and being ignored and forgotten is the worst punishment you can administer.

Hans
 
I wonder if Trump is too self-centered to pardon Pence as they walk out the door.
If so, the House could launch a special investigator to see if Pence profited from Trump’s self-dealings. They could subpoena all the records that Trump thought were protected by his family pardon.

Or
I wonder if Trump could be talked into (or goaded into) hiring a ghost writer to document all his shady crap in a tell-all book.
 
Just something amusing and Trump-related.

During past administrations, the NCIS TV shows have used file footage to depict President George W. Bush and President Obama on the show. I don't think there have been any direct references to Trump on any of the shows, but I'm not sure. There have been policy references, like the New Orleans team shutting down a corrupt immigrant detention center, but no references to Trump himself.

This past Sunday's NCIS: Los Angeles had a character refer to knowing the President "before he was even a Congressman". The episode was specifically stated to be taking place in December, so either they jumped a year into the future, or the franchise has slipped into a parallel universe where someone else won in 2016. The President was also heard speaking on the phone, and he had a deep voice and spoke coherently.
 
MRC_Hans said:
That Stubby McBonespurs might try self-pardoning wouldn't be surprising. But to test it, the federal government would have to 1) decide to bring a case against Trump, and 2) push for it to get to the supreme court. I can see Biden deciding not to follow through with all that because he wants to "heal the nation".
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And I think he would be right. Don't grant Donald the attention. Don't wrestle with pigs. Let him fade into the background.
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I can see a few problems with that:

- Even if Biden decides "lets not follow through", Trump will not "fade into the background". He will continue to cause problems, with tweets and rallies and a potential 2024 run, for years to come. If Trump is to be in the news, wouldn't it be better for something real (i.e. pointing out his crimes) rather than something fake (Witch hunt! Stolen election!)

- What type of message does that send? "You can be as corrupt as you want, but all your crimes will be ignored if you can complain loudly enough/get to the highest point in government"

Evidence suggests Trump has engaged in real crimes. Those should be punished, even if it will cause Trump to squeal like a stuck pig on Twitter as the case works its way through the courts.
 
Segnosaur said:
I can see a few problems with that:

- Even if Biden decides "lets not follow through", Trump will not "fade into the background". He will continue to cause problems, with tweets and rallies and a potential 2024 run, for years to come. If Trump is to be in the news, wouldn't it be better for something real (i.e. pointing out his crimes) rather than something fake (Witch hunt! Stolen election!)

- What type of message does that send? "You can be as corrupt as you want, but all your crimes will be ignored if you can complain loudly enough/get to the highest point in government"

Evidence suggests Trump has engaged in real crimes. Those should be punished, even if it will cause Trump to squeal like a stuck pig on Twitter as the case works its way through the courts.
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Sure, I think real crimes should be persecuted. But that is not Biden's call.

Hans
 
Segnosaur said:
Evidence suggests Trump has engaged in real crimes. Those should be punished, even if it will cause Trump to squeal like a stuck pig on Twitter as the case works its way through the courts.
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I'd be prepared to wager that as and when charges are brought against him, this very stable genius will suddenly produce medical certificates stating that he is unfit to stand trial.
 
malbui said:
I'd be prepared to wager that as and when charges are brought against him, this very stable genius will suddenly produce medical certificates stating that he is unfit to stand trial.
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I am reminded of the old Mafia Bosses developing health problems after indictment and going into court in wheelchairs in "Casino".
 
MRC_Hans said:
And I think he would be right. Don't grant Donald the attention. Don't wrestle with pigs. Let him fade into the background.

Hans
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I disagree. Letting that action (the self-pardon) become precedent just because you want to get Trump out of the limel9ight is a *very* poor statement of one's priorities. Impeachment is the only crime that cannot be pardoned so if self-pardon becomes accepted law, then a president could commit treason and then pardon himself.

No, if Trump self-pardons, I want it to go to the Supremes where, I hope, saner heads would prevail.
 
Segnosaur said:
Quick trump fans... Tell us how we should really be worried about Biden because he occasionally gets words wrong!

I wonder when we will hear the correction from Trump


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I watched FOX 'news' for a few minutes last night. They were discussing how worried we should be about Biden's mental health. I damn near drowned in the hypocrisy that flowed out of the TV and flooded the room .
 
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