Trump's Coup d'état.

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Meadmaker said:
So, the headlines, and if I recall correctly, the articles, said that "Texas" filed the lawsuit.

In this case is "Texas" nothing more than the Texas AG, acting under the color of his office, but not with the blessing of anyone else in the government?
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And will the Texas AG ever get around to prosecuting him for the felony securities fraud he was indicted for 5 years ago?
 
Meadmaker said:
So, the headlines, and if I recall correctly, the articles, said that "Texas" filed the lawsuit.

In this case is "Texas" nothing more than the Texas AG, acting under the color of his office, but not with the blessing of anyone else in the government?

That would be somewhat of a relief. One rogue dumbass within a government is bad, but not horrible.
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Essentially yes. But he is the Texas AG. And SCOTUS is the proper venue for a conflict of States, but only after they have exhausted other avenues. And then we get back to Laches.

Really Texas, you had such a problem with other states allowing mail in ballots to deal with the pandemic that you waited until Safe Harbor day to make this challenge and you are only suing those States that chose Biden? Why aren't you suing Iowa, Utah or Florida?

There are so many things wrong with this suit. Still, the Justices could overturn the apple cart and end democracy in the US. But even these troglodytes must understand the ramifications of flipping a Presidential election.
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
Texas is suing Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin in the SCOTUS in an attempt to halt the vote by the Electoral College!

https://thehill.com/regulation/cour...s-in-supreme-court-seeking-to-delay-electoral
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Texas is suing because it says the electoral will of its people is being diluted by bogus Biden wins in Pennsylvania, Michigan etc. The Supreme Court has sole jurisdiction over disputes between states. It might be fun for Pennsylvania to countersue Texas for choosing to cast all its ballots for Trump. It would be absurd and utterly without foundation, but maybe no more absurd than Texas suing Pennsylvania for overseeing its election as they see fit, a claim that basically attacks any sovereignty in any state over any issue. Maybe states could start suing each other over their Covid-19 responses. What right has Texas to incubate excessive cases that will affect other states that took a more stringent approach?

I gotta say, I am impressed at the creativity Trump's team puts into fomenting idiotic lawsuits - it's not just them suing now, it's individual states and apparently unaffiliated entities like whoever Sidney Powell is representing. It's quite impressive what's going on even with Giuliani sidelined. We may have to rethink the plausibility of perpetual-motion machines.

Clicking forward from the Hill link I found Lou Dobbs screaming at Stephen Miller, claiming the Republican Party is abandoning Trump. I'd love to see more conversations exactly like this - Republicans cannibalizing each other over doctrinal nuances. Dobb's outrage is almost certainly phony, of course. Not sure what game he's playing, but I like the general look.
 
Stacyhs said:
So you now agree that Trump was overwhelmingly rejected as I said and would like to discuss a new claim now? Ok. Sure, if all that happens, the result may be re-election. But I rather doubt it as Trump has made himself as deeply, utterly, and completely despised as possible. This is not something that will be easily or soon forgotten.
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You said that you found it difficult to believe that he would be elected in 2024 because he was overwhelmingly rejected.

Biden won about 5% more of the popular vote. I don't regard that as an overwhelming rejection.

And I don't find it hard to believe he will be reelected in 2024 given these totals. This far out, of course, it's a fool's game to predict what will happen. But given that he won in 2016 and that this victory was far from a landslide, I could totally imagine reelection. I don't find that hard to believe at all.

Of course, as 2024 nears, it may become harder to imagine. Or easier.
 
Minoosh said:
Texas is suing because it says the electoral will of its people is being diluted by bogus Biden wins in Pennsylvania, Michigan etc. The Supreme Court has sole jurisdiction over disputes between states. It might be fun for Pennsylvania to countersue Texas for choosing to cast all its ballots for Trump. It would be absurd and utterly without foundation, but maybe no more absurd than Texas suing Pennsylvania for overseeing its election as they see fit, a claim that basically attacks any sovereignty in any state over any issue. Maybe states could start suing each other over their Covid-19 responses. What right has Texas to incubate excessive cases that will affect other states that took a more stringent approach?

I gotta say, I am impressed at the creativity Trump's team puts into fomenting idiotic lawsuits - it's not just them suing now, it's individual states and apparently unaffiliated entities like whoever Sidney Powell is representing. It's quite impressive what's going on even with Giuliani sidelined. We may have to rethink the plausibility of perpetual-motion machines.

Clicking forward from the Hill link I found Lou Dobbs screaming at Stephen Miller, claiming the Republican Party is abandoning Trump. I'd love to see more conversations exactly like this - Republicans cannibalizing each other over doctrinal nuances. Dobb's outrage is almost certainly phony, of course. Not sure what game he's playing, but I like the general look.
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Stephen Miller isn't Trumpy enough now?

Lou Dobbs is a maniac tho, that's not phony.
 
acbytesla said:
Essentially yes. But he is the Texas AG. And SCOTUS is the proper venue for a conflict of States, but only after they have exhausted other avenues. And then we get back to Laches.

Really Texas, you had such a problem with other states allowing mail in ballots to deal with the pandemic that you waited until Safe Harbor day to make this challenge and you are only suing those States that chose Biden? Why aren't you suing Iowa, Utah or Florida?

There are so many things wrong with this suit. Still, the Justices could overturn the apple cart and end democracy in the US. But even these troglodytes must understand the ramifications of flipping a Presidential election.
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Fortunately, it's just one guy abusing his office.

On the other hand, it would be sure nice to see the Governor of Texas indicate that this lawsuit is not really from the government of Texas, just the Attorney General. Also, I don't know how this works, but if the Governor has the power to squash the lawsuit, and he chooses not to exercise that power, then he's complicit. Right now, the lawsuit says "Texas" is suing. I would think that the Governor of Texas would want people to understand that he is not actually involved. If he doesn't do that, then he may as well be involved.

Which is sad.
 
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phiwum said:
You said that you found it difficult to believe that he would be elected in 2024 because he was overwhelmingly rejected.

Biden won about 5% more of the popular vote. I don't regard that as an overwhelming rejection.

And I don't find it hard to believe he will be reelected in 2024 given these totals. This far out, of course, it's a fool's game to predict what will happen. But given that he won in 2016 and that this victory was far from a landslide, I could totally imagine reelection. I don't find that hard to believe at all.

Of course, as 2024 nears, it may become harder to imagine. Or easier.
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in 2024 he'll be in his late 70s and well retired into whatever post presidential pursuits he'll be pursuing. i hope he does interfere with the 2024 R apparatus though, as their punishment for embracing him.

he can keep trying to catch lightning in a jar, but its gone
 
Meadmaker said:
Fortunately, it's just one guy abusing his office.

On the other hand, it would be sure nice to see the Governor of Texas indicate that this lawsuit is not really from the government of Texas, just the Attorney General. Also, I don't know how this works, but if the Governor has the power to squash the lawsuit, and he chooses not to exercise that power, then he's complicit. Right now, the lawsuit says "Texas" is suing. I would think that the Governor of Texas would want people to understand that he is not actually involved. If he doesn't do that, then he may as well be involved.

Which is sad.
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I don't think this was done against the governor's wishes. Our governor is Trumpian idiot, too. He's just not under criminal investigation, currently.
 
dirtywick said:
in 2024 he'll be in his late 70s and well retired into whatever post presidential pursuits he'll be pursuing. i hope he does interfere with the 2024 R apparatus though, as their punishment for embracing him.

he can keep trying to catch lightning in a jar, but its gone
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Isn't that what they said about Biden?
 
Minoosh said:
Texas is suing because it says the electoral will of its people is being diluted by bogus Biden wins in Pennsylvania, Michigan etc. The Supreme Court has sole jurisdiction over disputes between states. It might be fun for Pennsylvania to countersue Texas for choosing to cast all its ballots for Trump. It would be absurd and utterly without foundation, but maybe no more absurd than Texas suing Pennsylvania for overseeing its election as they see fit, a claim that basically attacks any sovereignty in any state over any issue. Maybe states could start suing each other over their Covid-19 responses. What right has Texas to incubate excessive cases that will affect other states that took a more stringent approach?

I gotta say, I am impressed at the creativity Trump's team puts into fomenting idiotic lawsuits - it's not just them suing now, it's individual states and apparently unaffiliated entities like whoever Sidney Powell is representing. It's quite impressive what's going on even with Giuliani sidelined. We may have to rethink the plausibility of perpetual-motion machines.

Clicking forward from the Hill link I found Lou Dobbs screaming at Stephen Miller, claiming the Republican Party is abandoning Trump. I'd love to see more conversations exactly like this - Republicans cannibalizing each other over doctrinal nuances. Dobb's outrage is almost certainly phony, of course. Not sure what game he's playing, but I like the general look.
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Re the highlighted- I think it was Meadmaker who's already pointed this out, but Paxton isn't even really alleging that the Biden wins in those states were "bogus" in the sense of being the result of fraud, but only as the result of the rules by which those states chose to run the elections in each. So what his complaint really boils down to is that Texas, using their rules, got outvoted by some other states using theirs- which is true, but also just the result, this time, of the way the system is set up.

ETA- just read that article at The Hill about Dobbs and Miller. I particularly loved this bit-
“Why don't you guys jump and salute Ted Cruz and say, 'Yes, we want you on the team' now?” Dobbs asked. “My God, this is not a time for internecine nonsense on the part of the Republican Party, which is watching its blood drain into the streets because they're gutless!”
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Dobbs really needs to read some of Trump's latest "Gov Kemp is a RINO!" tweets.
 
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Meadmaker said:
Fortunately, it's just one guy abusing his office.

On the other hand, it would be sure nice to see the Governor of Texas indicate that this lawsuit is not really from the government of Texas, just the Attorney General. Also, I don't know how this works, but if the Governor has the power to squash the lawsuit, and he chooses not to exercise that power, then he's complicit. Right now, the lawsuit says "Texas" is suing. I would think that the Governor of Texas would want people to understand that he is not actually involved. If he doesn't do that, then he may as well be involved.

Which is sad.
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Yeah, that would be nice. But this is Texas we're talking about. The GOP governor doesn't want anything to do with this. He's not going to make a stand that will just alienate half the base. It's a piece of paper with no legal effect.

There are three kinds of Republicans out there these day. Principled Republicans which there are few of. Those that have embraced the crazy right and finally the spineless jellyfishes who are trying to stay out of the skirmish and ride this one out.

I guess, I was wrong. The governor is aligned with the crazies.
 
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Meadmaker said:
The GOP has announced today that they are officially changing their name to the Slytherin Party.
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Oh please.

The GOP is Team Gryffindor who wants Chief Justice Dumbledore to step up and say, “I’m going to sit here and award random numbers of points until the house I like wins the contest.”
 
Minoosh said:
Texas is suing because it says the electoral will of its people is being diluted by bogus Biden wins in Pennsylvania, Michigan etc. The Supreme Court has sole jurisdiction over disputes between states. It might be fun for Pennsylvania to countersue Texas for choosing to cast all its ballots for Trump. It would be absurd and utterly without foundation, but maybe no more absurd than Texas suing Pennsylvania for overseeing its election as they see fit, a claim that basically attacks any sovereignty in any state over any issue. Maybe states could start suing each other over their Covid-19 responses. What right has Texas to incubate excessive cases that will affect other states that took a more stringent approach?

I gotta say, I am impressed at the creativity Trump's team puts into fomenting idiotic lawsuits - it's not just them suing now, it's individual states and apparently unaffiliated entities like whoever Sidney Powell is representing. It's quite impressive what's going on even with Giuliani sidelined. We may have to rethink the plausibility of perpetual-motion machines.

Clicking forward from the Hill link I found Lou Dobbs screaming at Stephen Miller, claiming the Republican Party is abandoning Trump. I'd love to see more conversations exactly like this - Republicans cannibalizing each other over doctrinal nuances. Dobb's outrage is almost certainly phony, of course. Not sure what game he's playing, but I like the general look.
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It would appear these idiots are doing anything they can which might bring the case before SCOTUS because ignorant Trump has convinced his ignorant minions that the SCOTUS will install him for a second term if they can just get a case before his loyal justices that owe him.

With Trump not only does he believe he was cheated out of the election win because he couldn't have actually lost, he sees the world as a matter of these transactions, if he does anything for you, you owe him.

But they don't owe him, the world doesn't work the way he's convinced it does.


I do wonder if a few of these GOP legislators are still coddling him because there is one more Senate vote on Jan 5th. Now we have some of them refusing to do whatever it is they do ahead of time to organize the inauguration.
 
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phiwum said:
You said that you found it difficult to believe that he would be elected in 2024 because he was overwhelmingly rejected.

Biden won about 5% more of the popular vote. I don't regard that as an overwhelming rejection.

And I don't find it hard to believe he will be reelected in 2024 given these totals. This far out, of course, it's a fool's game to predict what will happen. But given that he won in 2016 and that this victory was far from a landslide, I could totally imagine reelection. I don't find that hard to believe at all.

Of course, as 2024 nears, it may become harder to imagine. Or easier.
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The main reason he won't win in 2024 is he won't risk it. Better to say he doesn't want to run in a rigged system.

The wild card is going to be whatever legal trouble he's in the minute he's out of office.
 
turingtest said:
Re the highlighted- I think it was Meadmaker who's already pointed this out, but Paxton isn't even really alleging that the Biden wins in those states were "bogus" in the sense of being the result of fraud, but only as the result of the rules by which those states chose to run the elections in each.
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And in that case, they need to go back to ALL the states that used said rules, including those who voted for Trump.
 
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