Trump's Coup d'état.

[gnome]

Perhaps Operation:Confound might appeal to you, then. Some of us have started a little dis-info campaign by saying something like "Sorry, guys, but this Patriot is staying home for the Georgia run-off on Jan. 5th!" or "What's the use!! They'll ALL friggin' corrupt! If Trump isn't involved I'm staying home!"

That way you really don't have to interact with them in the comments. The trick is not to overdo it. Don't go too OTT. Just a little nudge. Maybe 2 or 3 times a day? You only need to do it until Jan. 5.

Still not for me. If I thought winning by disinformation was acceptable I would probably have very different politics. It's still increasing ignorance and mistrust, even if in a mild way.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Wouldn't it be nice if the Trump supporters in here that are quietly lurking would finally come out and just admit that Trump lost the election? Instead, they just stopped defending his actions and aren't posting at all.

The highlighted part represents significant personal growth.

Dave

 

[Elagabalus]

The wrong people are people not voting Republican.

There's an interesting new development. A call to rid the Republican party of RINO's and other subversive elements. Tucker Carlson is considered a traitor now because he dared to tell the batcrap crazy contingent of the Republican party something that they didn't want to hear - namely that Joe Briben is the new President. Some even think Breitbart has turned!

And therein lies the problem. These people have been fed a steady diet of dis-info from the likes of Rush, Glenn Beck et. al. And getting their news from only approved sites like Breitbart (who were more than happy to give it to them). Never anything from the MSM! And now that BB has to give some semblance of reality they're being denounced as traitors. Weird, ain't it.

I just watched the BBC's excellent Berlin:1945 and it has that kind of vibe to it over on the OAN comment section. Will they Kapitulieren? Stay tuned.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Tucker Carlson is considered a traitor now because he dared to tell the batcrap crazy contingent of the Republican party something that they didn't want to hear - namely that Joe Briben is the new President.

I haven't seen him called that before, but now I'm wondering why not.

Dave

 

[pgwenthold]

The highlighted part represents significant personal growth.

Dave

 

[Elagabalus]

I haven't seen him called that before, but now I'm wondering why not.

Dave

Didn't you know. Joe has taken 1.8 million dollars from Xi! The Chinese are going to rule America! I'm not sure where that one originally started. I haven't been up the conspiracy thread yet. Has Bubba used that one? Well he should.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Someone on social media pointed this out. It should be mentioned that the Texas AG that filed this moonshot lawsuit to throw the election to Trump is currently accused of commiting a variety of felonies related to corruption. Several Deputy AGs either resigned or were fired after accusing him of these crimes. It is widely believed that the FBI is investigating him and he may be charged at any moment.

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/paxton-employees-resign-after-allegations/269-91568e2f-d98d-4e5e-b771-059afec3a1e6

It's entirely possible this is just a stunt meant to appeal to Trump's personal vanity in order to solicit a pardon.

 

[acbytesla]

Wouldn't it be nice if the Trump supporters in here that are quietly lurking would finally come out and just admit that Trump lost the election? Instead, they just stopped defending his actions and aren't posting at all.

Yes. I'm particularly annoyed with a few that said Trump wouldn't do what he's been doing. That we have all been exaggerating. Somehow that our warnings were merely the irrational fears of Chicken Little. I get that they disappeared because Trump lost and it is too painful for them.

 

[Horatius]

Wouldn't it be nice if the Trump supporters in here that are quietly lurking would finally come out and just admit that Trump lost the election? Instead, they just stopped defending his actions and aren't posting at all.

I'll take them just shutting up. We know they won't actually change, and the less Trumpian Stupidity we have to listen to, the better.

 

[turingtest]

There's an interesting new development. A call to rid the Republican party of RINO's and other subversive elements. Tucker Carlson is considered a traitor now because he dared to tell the batcrap crazy contingent of the Republican party something that they didn't want to hear - namely that Joe Briben is the new President. Some even think Breitbart has turned!

And therein lies the problem. These people have been fed a steady diet of dis-info from the likes of Rush, Glenn Beck et. al. And getting their news from only approved sites like Breitbart (who were more than happy to give it to them). Never anything from the MSM! And now that BB has to give some semblance of reality they're being denounced as traitors. Weird, ain't it.

I just watched the BBC's excellent Berlin:1945 and it has that kind of vibe to it over on the OAN comment section. Will they Kapitulieren? Stay tuned.

Along those lines- A congressman from West Virginia, Alex Mooney, has offered a resolution which would condemn any GOP representative who might "prematurely" call on Trump to concede (Politico):

Rep. Alex Mooney introduced a resolution on Tuesday to formally condemn any lawmakers who call on Donald Trump to concede “prematurely” from the presidential race despite having lost — the latest example of how Trump’s Hill allies are eager to prove their loyalty to the president.
...
“I call on my fellow colleagues in the House GOP Conference to join me in sending a strong, united message of support for President @realDonaldTrump,” Mooney tweeted Tuesday morning. “No Republican member should prematurely call on President Trump to concede before these investigations are complete.”

I get that he's just playing to the stands, but still... Forty-something lawsuits now, and no evidence of fraud- the GOP is starting to remind me of die-hard 9/11 CTists who will never accept the reality of what happened until some new "investigation" is conducted and says whay they want to hear. If the same people are in charge of defining a goal and deciding if it's been reached, they never have to worry about acknowledging that the other team has beaten them.

 

[Elagabalus]

Along those lines- A congressman from West Virginia, Alex Mooney, has offered a resolution which would condemn any GOP representative who might "prematurely" call on Trump to concede (Politico):


I get that he's just playing to the stands, but still... Forty-something lawsuits now, and no evidence of fraud- the GOP is starting to remind me of die-hard 9/11 CTists who will never accept the reality of what happened until some new "investigation" is conducted and says whay they want to hear. If the same people are in charge of defining a goal and deciding if it's been reached, they never have to worry about acknowledging that the other team has beaten them.

Trump is also grifting. He's received about 207 million from his cult and it keeps going up.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Yes. I'm particularly annoyed with a few that said Trump wouldn't do what he's been doing. That we have all been exaggerating. Somehow that our warnings were merely the irrational fears of Chicken Little. I get that they disappeared because Trump lost and it is too painful for them.

Yes. They'll start posting again on January 21 but it won't be about Trump. They'll be part of the Great Forgetting where they will disavow ever supporting the orange moron.

 

[Meadmaker]

Along those lines- A congressman from West Virginia, Alex Mooney, has offered a resolution which would condemn any GOP representative who might "prematurely" call on Trump to concede (Politico):


I get that he's just playing to the stands, but still... Forty-something lawsuits now, and no evidence of fraud- the GOP is starting to remind me of die-hard 9/11 CTists who will never accept the reality of what happened until some new "investigation" is conducted and says whay they want to hear. If the same people are in charge of defining a goal and deciding if it's been reached, they never have to worry about acknowledging that the other team has beaten them.

There's something I didn't get about this "resolution". Was this an actual, Congressional, resolution? I mean, official business of the House of Representatives, as opposed to the Republican Caucus? If it's just part of the Republican Caucus, that's pretty bad. It's basically demanding a form of loyalty oath. If it's actually proposing a resolution of the United States House of Representatives, then it is so many different sorts of bad that I don't even want to take the time to list them.

 

[dudalb]

This filing is beyond vile.

But there is Truther Math in it too (page 14 in the PDF):



Based on that "logic", what is the "statistical improbability" of Trump winning Iowa, Ohio, Michigan, Florida, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania collectively, given that Obama won all those states in 2008 and 2012?
Just asking question ....

GOd, I hate Texas.

 

[turingtest]

There's something I didn't get about this "resolution". Was this an actual, Congressional, resolution? I mean, official business of the House of Representatives, as opposed to the Republican Caucus? If it's just part of the Republican Caucus, that's pretty bad. It's basically demanding a form of loyalty oath. If it's actually proposing a resolution of the United States House of Representatives, then it is so many different sorts of bad that I don't even want to take the time to list them.

From the wording- "The West Virginia Republican, a member of the hard-line House Freedom Caucus, offered the resolution during a private GOP conference call- I would guess that it was just to the caucus. So it's at least just the lesser of two bads, a demand that the eating of their own be confined to the GOP.

 

[acbytesla]

Texas is suing Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin in the SCOTUS in an attempt to halt the vote by the Electoral College!

https://thehill.com/regulation/cour...s-in-supreme-court-seeking-to-delay-electoral

The mind boggles.

I seriously fear for our country, when this sort of thing can be taken seriously. There's just so much wrong with that lawsuit.


The most offensive element of the lawsuit to me has to be the premise that underlies the whole suit. When the pandemic started, officials in some states made it easier to vote in a safe manner. This, the government of Texas is claiming, was unconstitutional.

They aren't alleging that the votes themselves are invalid or not reflective of the voter's intent. They are saying that the electoral changes that allowed all those people to vote easily and safely "cast a dark shadow" over the election.

It's really disgusting.

Interesting Twitter thread from a Texas Law Prof on this case: https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1336329901859688451

tl;dr?
His conclusion:
"All of this is to say, yes, #SCOTUS *can* hear this case. And it's possible one or two Justices will think that it *should.*
But it's going to take forever to decide whether to hear it—which almost certainly means that the whole thing will be moot before that happens."

Exactly. Keep in mind this was filed by the under indictment Texas AG. The Solicitor General of Texas's name is not on it. He tried a similar stunt more than 6 months ago and the suit languishes. The court can certainly take it up if it wants to but they are far more likely to ignore it neither hearing it or dismissing it.

 

[Minoosh]

I could be wrong, but I suspect that countersuits would please Trump more than annoy him. I can hear him saying, “they are trying to prevent the evidence from being heard. We filed suits against the people who ran the election, but they are filing suit against me personally. That is exactly what crooks like Biden do. Yadda, yadda, yadda.”

I'm thinking of countersuits that actually have nothing to do with the allegations in the main suit. Sue Trump for cheating at golf or having poor taste in interior decorating. Say nothing at all about the so-called evidence. I just like the idea of filing something so off the wall that it changes the conversation. Of course it would get tossed, but the original is going to get tossed as well.

From the link of the OANN commenter:

I would prefer NON-MILITARY solution, but I Do trust Mr. Trump to do an honest job at following the law and using the power he has wisely. Either way, the military will have to get involved to protect the people and the vote until this is over.

I'm trying to understand the guy. He doesn't connect the dot that gets us to "either way" the military has to get involved. Like everyone else he probably has his own individual version of whatever main conspiracy these folks buy into. I do wish they'd use their energy to fall into internal squabbling about details that would underscore how absurd this all is.

 

[Meadmaker]

Exactly. Keep in mind this was filed by the under indictment Texas AG. The Solicitor General of Texas's name is not on it. He tried a similar stunt more than 6 months ago and the suit languishes. The court can certainly take it up if it wants to but they are far more likely to ignore it neither hearing it or dismissing it.

So, the headlines, and if I recall correctly, the articles, said that "Texas" filed the lawsuit.

In this case is "Texas" nothing more than the Texas AG, acting under the color of his office, but not with the blessing of anyone else in the government?

That would be somewhat of a relief. One rogue dumbass within a government is bad, but not horrible.

 

[pgwenthold]

So, the headlines, and if I recall correctly, the articles, said that "Texas" filed the lawsuit.

In this case is "Texas" nothing more than the Texas AG, acting under the color of his office, but not with the blessing of anyone else in the government?

That would be somewhat of a relief. One rogue dumbass within a government is bad, but not horrible.

It had to be filed on behalf of the state of Texas, because only state-on-state lawsuits can be filed with the SC

 

[Dr. Keith]

Someone on social media pointed this out. It should be mentioned that the Texas AG that filed this moonshot lawsuit to throw the election to Trump is currently accused of commiting a variety of felonies related to corruption. Several Deputy AGs either resigned or were fired after accusing him of these crimes. It is widely believed that the FBI is investigating him and he may be charged at any moment.

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/paxton-employees-resign-after-allegations/269-91568e2f-d98d-4e5e-b771-059afec3a1e6

It's entirely possible this is just a stunt meant to appeal to Trump's personal vanity in order to solicit a pardon.

That is a good summary and thank you for bringing it up. It is the first thing I thought of when I saw the filing was done by Paxton, but I didn't know how best to lay it out.