2020 United States presidential election - Conspiracy theories, alleged fraud, etc

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Bubba said:
What do you think the outcome will be when SCOTUS kicks it to congress for the final reckoning?
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Won't happen.


I wonder how you will react when it doesn't happen. Will it cause you to reexamine your assumptions to see where you made a mistake? That certainly wouldn't be Donald Trump's style, and I suspect it isn't your style, either.

Now, if I am wrong, it will cause me to reexamine my assumptions, but there is only two ways it could happen. Both would be very bad. Either a court will examine the evidence and find that there was indeed strong evidence of fraud. That would shake me up pretty badly. I don't think it's possible to commit fraud on that level. I don't think 100,000 phony votes can be manufactured in Pennsylvania, or 100,000 real votes disposed of without counting in Pennsylvania. To learn that it actually happened would really be a blow to what I think America is really like. Of course, much as it pains me, if that evidence were presented, I would have to support returning Trump to office. Far more important to me than who sits in the oval office, is knowing that, whoever it is, he was elected fair and square.

The other way it could happen is if the Supreme Court and Congress are both so corrupt that they throw the presidency back to Trump despite the votes. In other words, Biden won the election, and they know it, but the people at the top decided to do a coup. That would be very, very, bad, and the response would have to involve guns. However, that is the stuff of fantasies. Yes, I can imagine myself in some Walter Middy-esque fantasy manning the barricades to overthrow a tyrant, but it isn't going to happen, and it isn't going to be necessary. The reality is that I trust even Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett to follow the law as they see it, and there is no interpretation of the law that ends up with the court "kicking it to Congress".


Oh, and if massive vote fraud were discovered, and it was clear that forces loyal to Joe Biden stole the election, and the courts let them get away with it, I would feel the same way about the armed revolution. We can't allow an unelected usurper into power. However, I know that such talk is fantasy. My greatest fear is that there are people in western Michigan who might not realize it's fantasy, and that crazy people will really believe the vote fraud nonsense, and they will decide that they are just the militia to do something about it. Those folks are nuts.
 
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Matthew Ellard said:
Sidney Powell seems to be asking to be de-registered as an attorney.

She consciously removed the bottom of a document against court best evidence rules.

She listed Derrick Van Orden as her court applicant who now denies being her client and thus she never obtained a client service agreement.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...-powell-listed-plantiff-no-permission-2020-12

She is now using "Q" from Q-Anon (Ron Watkins) as her computer expert in an affidavit, despite Watkins making up all the anti-Democrat Q-Anon fantasies.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/...kins-in-ga-election-lawsuit-2020-12?r=US&IR=T

I'm suspicious Sidney Powell is quite nutty :)
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Not sure if this has been mentioned, but Ron Watkins claim to "expertise" on these election systems is that he read the user manual and started speculating ways that they could be defeated. That's really it.

He has no expert experience with these machines or election systems generally. His technical experience comes from running chan boards, notably the Q home of 8kun (formerly 8chan). His inclusion brings very as far as technical expertise, but it will likely draw the conspiracy theorists like catnip.
 
Meadmaker said:
Won't happen.


I wonder how you will react when it doesn't happen. Will it cause you to reexamine your assumptions to see where you made a mistake? That certainly wouldn't be Donald Trump's style, and I suspect it isn't your style, either.

Now, if I am wrong, it will cause me to reexamine my assumptions, but there is only two ways it could happen. Both would be very bad. Either a court will examine the evidence and find that there was indeed strong evidence of fraud. That would shake me up pretty badly. I don't think it's possible to commit fraud on that level. I don't think 100,000 phony votes can be manufactured in Pennsylvania, or 100,000 real votes disposed of without counting in Pennsylvania. To learn that it actually happened would really be a blow to what I think America is really like. Of course, much as it pains me, if that evidence were presented, I would have to support returning Trump to office. Far more important to me than who sits in the oval office, is knowing that, whoever it is, he was elected fair and square.

The other way it could happen is if the Supreme Court and Congress are both so corrupt that they throw the presidency back to Trump despite the votes. In other words, Biden won the election, and they know it, but the people at the top decided to do a coup. That would be very, very, bad, and the response would have to involve guns. However, that is the stuff of fantasies. Yes, I can imagine myself in some Walter Middy-esque fantasy manning the barricades to overthrow a tyrant, but it isn't going to happen, and it isn't going to be necessary. The reality is that I trust even Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett to follow the law as they see it, and there is no interpretation of the law that ends up with the court "kicking it to Congress".


Oh, and if massive vote fraud were discovered, and it was clear that forces loyal to Joe Biden stole the election, and the courts let them get away with it, I would feel the same way about the armed revolution. We can't allow an unelected usurper into power. However, I know that such talk is fantasy. My greatest fear is that there are people in western Michigan who might not realize it's fantasy, and that crazy people will really believe the vote fraud nonsense, and they will decide that they are just the militia to do something about it. Those folks are nuts.
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Yes, yes they are.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but Ron Watkins claim to "expertise" on these election systems is that he read the user manual and started speculating ways that they could be defeated. That's really it.
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This simply shows that Sidney Powell is quite crazy.

The defence can simply point out Ron Watkin's lack of technical qualifications and ask to cross examine him, on that, in court. He will refuse because the defence can directly ask him if he is "Q" and thus prejudiced while he is under oath. Then every person he defamed under his "Q" and "Q-Anon" aliases can sue him in civil court.
 
Matthew Ellard said:
This simply shows that Sidney Powell is quite crazy.

The defence can simply point out Ron Watkin's lack of technical qualifications and ask to cross examine him, on that, in court. He will refuse because the defence can directly ask him if he is "Q" and thus prejudiced while he is under oath. Then every person he defamed under his "Q" and "Q-Anon" aliases can sue him in civil court.
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I thought he was just the son of Q. Isn't Jim Watkins thought to be Q?
 
Meadmaker said:
Won't happen.


I wonder how you will react when it doesn't happen. Will it cause you to reexamine your assumptions to see where you made a mistake?
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Answered weeks ago. I'd (be surprised to) see the amount of fraud was less than I thought, and move on.


Now, if I am wrong, it will cause me to reexamine my assumptions, but there is only two ways it could happen. Both would be very bad. Either a court will examine the evidence and find that there was indeed strong evidence of fraud. That would shake me up pretty badly. I don't think it's possible to commit fraud on that level. I don't think 100,000 phony votes can be manufactured in Pennsylvania, or 100,000 real votes disposed of without counting in Pennsylvania. To learn that it actually happened would really be a blow to what I think America is really like. Of course, much as it pains me, if that evidence were presented, I would have to support returning Trump to office. Far more important to me than who sits in the oval office, is knowing that, whoever it is, he was elected fair and square.

The other way it could happen is if the Supreme Court and Congress are both so corrupt that they throw the presidency back to Trump despite the votes. In other words, Biden won the election, and they know it, but the people at the top decided to do a coup. That would be very, very, bad, and the response would have to involve guns. However, that is the stuff of fantasies. Yes, I can imagine myself in some Walter Middy-esque fantasy manning the barricades to overthrow a tyrant, but it isn't going to happen, and it isn't going to be necessary. The reality is that I trust even Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett to follow the law as they see it, and there is no interpretation of the law that ends up with the court "kicking it to Congress".


Oh, and if massive vote fraud were discovered, and it was clear that forces loyal to Joe Biden stole the election, and the courts let them get away with it, I would feel the same way about the armed revolution. We can't allow an unelected usurper into power. However, I know that such talk is fantasy. My greatest fear is that there are people in western Michigan who might not realize it's fantasy, and that crazy people will really believe the vote fraud nonsense, and they will decide that they are just the militia to do something about it. Those folks are nuts.
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How would you know the backup paper ballots matching Dominion's numbers were not bogus to begin with??



I don't think 100,000 phony votes can be manufactured in Pennsylvania, [HLITE]or 100,000 real votes disposed of without counting in Pennsylvania.[HILITE/]
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What is difficult about disposing of ballots from Trump zip codes?? Election workers (drivers, etc) are saying it happened
 
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Bubba said:
How would you know the backup paper ballots matching Dominion's numbers were not bogus to begin with?
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Sooooooo if no one has any evidence of tampering and the paper count matches the electronic count, then there isn't a problem that needs attention.

Thanks for debunking Trump's claims again Bubba. :p
 
Bubba said:
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What is difficult about disposing of ballots from Trump zip codes?? Election workers (drivers, etc) are saying it happened
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Are you going to report a felony, or are you like the president, a clueless conspiracy theorist.

Why did they fail to report it, and why do you repeat failed?

So you got hearsay, and no evidence - just like the serial wife cheater and biggest liar in history, the failed president, the one at loser.com
 
eerok said:
Why would SCOTUS touch this stink bomb to begin with?
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Bubba said:
Because you're not a hater and you support clean fair elections.
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Nope Bubba. SCOTUS only hears points of law. The facts have to be established at a lower court and that never happened.

Are you saying you didn't know that in any of your hilarious and confused posts?
 
Bubba said:
How would you know the backup paper ballots matching Dominion's numbers were not bogus to begin with??
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If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, Defeated Diaper Don would have a merry Christmas.

What is difficult about disposing of ballots from Trump zip codes?? Election workers (drivers, etc) are saying it happened
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The difficulty is proving it, not Trump's infamous "people are saying." And Diaper Don's crack (kracken) legal team haven't proved a goddam thing.

Defeated at the polls, defeated at the recounts and defeated in court. This is objective reality.
 
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All this fraud, fraud crap is just regurgitated Q-nonsense, CT junk and made up ****, swapped back and forth between CTers and other credules, including Diaper Don.

That which is asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence, and just so.
 
Bubba said:
Clicking your Ruby Red slippers as you chant your mantras??
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Reality a problem for you?

Any day now credules
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Still can't post your own schtick, huh Bubba? Try posting something original for once, rather than other people's words. It goes to your credibility . . . actually, it would establish it since you have none.


ETA: And the next thing he posts are other people's words, bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!
 
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Mr. President,
As a citizen of the United States of America I am calling on you to uphold your oath of office to protect me and my family and all people of the united states of America from enemies foreign and domestic the way I see it we are at war with a power we have never seen before. I am asking you to bring in the military to do a complete recount of all the ballots and machines used in this election. You have the power and the right to do this. This is a war like America has never seen you must get to the bottom of this. Blood shed has not fallen in this battle yet but if this continues I am afraid we are headed for civil war. Wars have started for a lot less. So please do what you must to keep all of us safe and secure. Thank you for your time and help god bless you and your family and god bless America.
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