2020 United States presidential election - Conspiracy theories, alleged fraud, etc

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Bubba said:
So, is it safe to assume you are certain that all claims of fraud will be proven to be bogus??
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Claims and evidence don't work that way in the real world, they only work that way in the bizzarro world of tinfoil hats and alternative facts.

In the real world, nothing is assumed regarding a claim's veracity. Claims require supporting evidence, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and the onus is on the claimant to provide the supporting evidence.

The number of times the Trump Campaign (or those acting in their behalf) have gone to court claiming election fraud (thus far) = 39
The number of times the Trump Campaign (or those acting in their behalf) have gone to court and presented evidence of election fraud = 0


In fact, the Trump Campaign (or those acting in their behalf), have specifically said, under oath, that they are NOT alleging election fraud..... and there are two very good reasons for that.
1. They don't have any evidence of fraud, and
2. They will attract the sanctions of the court if they make that claim without evidence.
 
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smartcooky said:
They will attract the sanctions of the court if they make that claim without evidence.
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Especially since fraud is held to a higher standard of pleading under Rule 9 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, and must be pled "with particularity" regarding the details of the alleged fraud. This is difficult to accomplish even when an ordinary level of due diligence precedes the filing. You really do need to have your facts well established before you write the complaint. At this point there aren't even any legally cognizable claims of fraud, much less evidence that would prove them.
 
GraculusTheGreenBird said:
My god, is Bubba still banging on about Dominion, despite the manual recounts matching voter machine tallies?

Surely, nobody could be actually STUPID enough to believe fraud claims after that definitive proof?

Could they?
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Yeah, people are stupid enough to buy into it.
Hell,back in the last decase a lot of people bought into a similar crackpot conspiracy theory are Diebolt machinges..only difference is the Diebolt crap was a Left wing conspiracy theory. Conspiracies kooks inhabit both wings of politics.
 
dudalb said:
Yeah, people are stupid enough to buy into it.
Hell,back in the last decase a lot of people bought into a similar crackpot conspiracy theory are Diebolt machinges..only difference is the Diebolt crap was a Left wing conspiracy theory. Conspiracies kooks inhabit both wings of politics.
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Diebold
In early 2006, a study for the state of California corroborated and expanded on the problem; on page 2 the California report states that:

"Memory card attacks are a real threat: We determined that anyone who has access to a memory card of the AV-OS, and can tamper it (i.e. modify its contents), and can have the modified cards used in a voting machine during election, can indeed modify the election results from that machine in a number of ways. The fact that the results are incorrect cannot be detected except by a recount of the original paper ballots"...

In January 2007, a photo of the key used to open Diebold voting machines was posted in the company's website. It was found possible to duplicate the key based on the photo. The key unlocks a compartment which contains a removable memory card, leaving the machine vulnerable to tampering.

A report commissioned by Ohio's top elections official on December 15, 2007 has found that all five voting systems used in Ohio (made by Elections Systems and Software; Premier Election Solutions (formerly Diebold Election Systems); and Hart InterCivic) have critical flaws that could undermine the integrity of the 2008 general election...

In March 2009, California Secretary of State Debra Bowen decertified Diebold's GEMS version 1.18.19 after the Humboldt County Election Transparency Project discovered that GEMS had silently dropped 197 ballots from its tabulation of a single precinct in Eureka, California. The discovery was made after project members conducted an independent count...

When Cuyahoga county's primary was held on May 2, 2006, officials ordered the hand-counting of more than 18,000 paper ballots after Diebold's new optical scan machines produced inconsistent tabulations, leaving several local races in limbo for days and eventually resulting in a reversal of the outcome of one race for state representative.
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Excerpts from memos -- in Diebold's employees' own words:
"I need some answers! Our department is being audited by the County. I have been waiting for someone to give me an explanation as to why Precinct 216 gave Al Gore a minus 16022 [votes] when it was uploaded. Will someone please explain this so that I have the information to give the auditor instead of standing here 'looking dumb'."

"We had this happen in several precincts and one of these precincts managed to get her memory card out of election mode and then back in it, continued to read ballots, not realizing that the 300+ ballots she had read earlier were no longer stored in her memory card . Needless to say when we did our hand count this was discovered."
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smartcooky said:
"That guy is a class A moron," diGenova said."

Let me see; diGenova calls Chris Krebs a "class A moron"? Projection much?

diGenova is someone who never met a conspiracy theory he didn't believe in. If anyone is a class A moron, its him.
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The Class A Moron stuff does not bother me a lot;the suggestion that guy be shot does.
name calling is one thing, advocating violence is another.
 
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Little known facts and curiosities:


https://spectator.us/reasons-why-the-2020-presidential-election-is-deeply-puzzling/

I am a pollster and I find this election to be deeply puzzling.

Something very strange happened in America’s democracy in the early hours of Wednesday November 4 and the days that followed. It’s reasonable for a lot of Americans to want to find out exactly what.

Trump received more votes than any previous incumbent seeking reelection. He got 11 million more votes than in 2016, the third largest rise in support ever for an incumbent. By way of comparison, President Obama was comfortably reelected in 2012 with 3.5 million fewer votes than he received in 2008.
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https://spectator.us/reasons-why-the-2020-presidential-election-is-deeply-puzzling/
 
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Bubba said:
Little known facts and curiosities:
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, no evidence of fraud, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, no evidence of fraud, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, no evidence of fraud, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, no evidence of fraud,

Patrick Basham is director of the Democracy Institute.
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Soooooo...... Bubba?

Why would Patrick Basham, a tobacco lobbyist who denied smoking caused cancer, also have any insight into election fraud. The Democracy Institute is funded by tobacco companies to stop plain packaging of cigarettes.
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https://tobaccotactics.org/wiki/democracy-institute/
 
trustbutverify said:
Patrick Basham is a quack. He's lied about his academic credentials, and his "polling" predicted a Trump landslide.
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Damn it. You beat me again.

Bubba must be getting very desperate for pro-Trump links, if he is now reading debunked tobacco lobbyist websites.:)
 
Bubba said:
Good news! FBI is getting involved, requesting fraud evidence.
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Bubba. You made this up and exactly the opposite happened a day after you posted your lie. Stop lying and making stuff up.
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Attorney General Bill Barr Says There’s No Evidence of Widespread Voter Fraud
https://www.motherjones.com/2020-el...theres-no-evidence-of-widespread-voter-fraud/

Who monitors or oversees the FBI?
The FBI is responsible to the Attorney General
https://www.fbi.gov/about/faqs/who-...ment of,the Director of National Intelligence.
 
Matthew Ellard said:
Bubba. You made this up and exactly the opposite happened a day after you posted your lie. Stop lying and making stuff up.
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Attorney General Bill Barr Says There’s No Evidence of Widespread Voter Fraud
https://www.motherjones.com/2020-el...theres-no-evidence-of-widespread-voter-fraud/

Who monitors or oversees the FBI?
The FBI is responsible to the Attorney General
https://www.fbi.gov/about/faqs/who-...ment of,the Director of National Intelligence.
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Another loss for the Trump legal team of Dewey, Screwy, and Phooey: lost the election outright, lost the recounts, lost in court, ovah and ovah.
 
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Matthew Ellard said:
Bubba. You made this up and exactly the opposite happened a day after you posted your lie. Stop lying and making stuff up.
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Attorney General Bill Barr Says There’s No Evidence of Widespread Voter Fraud
https://www.motherjones.com/2020-el...theres-no-evidence-of-widespread-voter-fraud/

Who monitors or oversees the FBI?
The FBI is responsible to the Attorney General
https://www.fbi.gov/about/faqs/who-...ment of,the Director of National Intelligence.
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That's right Bubba, the FBI did get involved. They got involved long enough to establish there was no fraud. You thought Trumpy was going to get saved and he and his landscaping, I mean legal team failed again. It must be awful for you, all your false hopes that keeping being dashed.
 

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Bubba said:
Little known facts and curiosities:




https://spectator.us/reasons-why-the-2020-presidential-election-is-deeply-puzzling/
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I listened to Strenstrom's (sp?) testimony from the press event in Gettysburg, and there was one thing I heard from him, that I would really like to know more about.

6. Missing votes. In Delaware County, Pennsylvania, 50,000 votes held on 47 USB cards are missing
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That's pretty serious, but I tried to google something about it, and I guess my Google Fu isn't very good, because I wanted to know more detail. Can you help me out? I've heard the statement, but I'm looking for the data to back it up. What can you do for me?



Meanwhile, I strongly encourage everyone to watch Gabriel Sterling's comments from today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLi-Yo6IucQ

I suspect most people here will recognize the name, or at least the face. He's the official who runs elections in Georgia. His boss is the Secretary of State.
 
Trump campaign lawyer Joe diGenova may even be disbarred.

Frank Figliuzzi, a former FBI deputy director, said DiGenova had made “a retaliatory threat involving Krebs’ official duties, in violation of federal law Title 18 USC 351”.

Andrew Weissmann, a former federal prosecutor and senior aide to special counsel Robert Mueller in the Russia investigation, tweeted that the remark was “shocking” and DiGenova should “face disbarment at least”.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...nova-election-security-chief-chris-krebs-shot
 
Are these guys speaking from an official stance or just saying what could happen?

How long before we would hear something certian?
 
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