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Cont: 2020 Presidential Election part 3

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Bob001 said:
I dunno. What sank Carter was the Iranian hostage catastrophe and a weak economy. But he was on the right side in a lot of areas. He should get full credit for the Egypt-Israel peace deal and the SALT limits on nuclear weapons. He created the departments of Education and Energy. He was a civil rights and environmental advocate. The country could have been better off if he had won a second term over Reagan.
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That's why I think the history books have been less kind than he deserved. I think he did a lot of good things, and I think he had even more good ideas.

But, in the end, he couldn't sell that to the American people, and so he lost. When he lost, he lost with class.

There are a lot of people who think Trump did some great things in office. I'm not one of those people, but I'll give him some grudging credit about him getting things done, including some things I wish he hadn't gotten done. In some ways, Covid was his hostage crisis. It was an unplanned event that he really wasn't responsible for, but people were unimpressed about the way he handled it, and it caused him to lose the election, whether or not it was fair. However, when he lost, he didn't lose with class. Forty years from now, people won't be saying, "You know, maybe we were too harsh on Donald Trump. He was just a good guy who did his best, but was in over his head."


(And, for my part, I think the criticism of Trump about Covid is perfectly fair. I know I always hated Trump, but until the pandemic, I didn't feel it so personally. I wanted him to lose, but it wasn't important to me on a gut level.)
 
acbytesla said:
Trump has no limits to how low he will go.

He has invited Pennsylvania lawmakers to the White House in another attempt to get them to seat Trump electors.
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This should be in the Trump nickname thread.

The Limbo King. Because he has no limits to how low he will go.
 
Bob001 said:
I dunno. What sank Carter was the Iranian hostage catastrophe and a weak economy. .
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I've always wonder what would have happened if the hostage rescue mission had succeeded?

I think the 80 election could have been very different. He still suffered from the problem with a weak economy, but Reagan could not have used the "I'll be tough on our enemies" approach.
 
Tero said:
Not likely this would get very far. It would be interesting if even one state got as far as proposing Trump electors. I'm curious what the process is.
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According to most experts as far as I've read, this option doesn't really exist right now - or no longer does, as regards this particular election.

The futile hope by the Trump camp that a friendly state's legislature can unilaterally "appoint electors" regardless of the results of their popular vote, is based mostly on the fact that the federal government doesn't prohibit states from assigning electors in that manner, as a part of the larger general legal principle that states are individually responsible for deciding how they run their elections and how they choose their electors.

The thing is, though, that state legislatures are still bound by their states' own laws and constitutions, and as far as I'm aware no state in the country actually permits the popular vote to be discarded or ignored, or at the very least certainly not after an election has already been held and the public has voted.

Again this is just my lay impression of the details. But from what I've heard, the president's explorations of somehow winning along these lines are desperate and pie-in-the-sky, and possibly may not even be very serious and mostly intended to engage his base.

The problem is, the kinds of people who are excited at the prospect of overturning a democratic election are not good kinds of people.
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

Biden can only enter the White House as President if he can prove that his ridiculous “80,000,000 votes” were not fraudulently or illegally obtained. When you see what happened in Detroit, Atlanta, Philadelphia & Milwaukee, massive voter fraud, he’s got a big unsolvable problem!

Big Tech and the Fake News Media have partnered to Suppress. Freedom of the Press is gone, a thing of the past. That’s why they refuse to report the real facts and figures of the 2020 Election or even, where’s Hunter!
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In that last bit, I think he's actually reading the comments over on OANN and repeating what he sees - not the other way around.
 
SOme in the GOP are worried that Trump will not help them in Gerogia because he feels the GOP has not been loyal enough to him.
I think it is very possible he might decide to go the Thrid Party route where he can have a party that is totally and blindly devoted to Dear Leader, with no behind closed doors grumbling which Trump is fully aware goes on in the GOP. Just doing what he wants is not enough, he must have total love and devotion.
 
Elagabalus said:
In that last bit, I think he's actually reading the comments over on OANN and repeating what he sees - not the other way around.
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I admit is is amusing to see him turn on Fox News because the Conspiracy Crap he is pushing is too much even for them.
 
acbytesla said:
Trump has no limits to how low he will go.
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Correct!

acbytesla said:
Biden: 80,246,508
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Fraud!

Meadmaker said:
I think he is really melting has melted down.
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FTFY.

And as to the hurt little boy, he just gets more and more pathetic:

"Biden can only enter the White House as President if he can prove that his ridiculous “80,000,000 votes” were not fraudulently or illegally obtained."

Or, "I have lost until you prove you won! Neener, neener, neener!

Seriously, the rest of the world is just astonished at how nearly half of American voters support this ............... I can't even think up a word. He's not a man, definitely not a bloke. "Trump" has a valid use in cards - we need a whole new word, because "self-obsessed, narcissistic, bullying, puerile, hypocritical racist coward piece of ****" takes too long to type.

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Mary Trump commented in the VICE interview linked above:

“The thing that’s most driving him right now is the desperation to turn the loss into a win,” Mary Trump said. But his anxiety about losing the power of the presidency to manage his legal affairs may prompt him into ever-more extreme behavior as his looming exit draws closer, with potentially damaging consequences for his predecessor and for the country, Mary Trump said.

“If Donald feels rejected by the American people, he’s not going to distinguish people who voted for him from people who didn’t,” Mary Trump said. “He’s going to take all of us down with him.”
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Smart woman, that, and now you're watching it in real time.

Congratulations, America!
 
The Atheist said:
And as to the hurt little boy, he just gets more and more pathetic:

Or, "I have lost until you prove you won! Neener, neener, neener!

Seriously, the rest of the world is just astonished at how nearly half of American voters support this ............... I can't even think up a word. He's not a man, definitely not a bloke. "Trump" has a valid use in cards - we need a whole new word, because "self-obsessed, narcissistic, bullying, puerile, hypocritical racist coward piece of ****" takes too long to type.
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I really like his new nickname. # Diaper Don
 
dudalb said:
SOme in the GOP are worried that Trump will not help them in Gerogia because he feels the GOP has not been loyal enough to him.
I think it is very possible he might decide to go the Thrid Party route where he can have a party that is totally and blindly devoted to Dear Leader, with no behind closed doors grumbling which Trump is fully aware goes on in the GOP. Just doing what he wants is not enough, he must have total love and devotion.
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I don't want to burst your bubble but this just came up on OANN.

President Trump to hold rally in Ga. for Senators Loeffler and Perdue


Although there have been calls in the OANN comment sections to get rid of all those evil RINOs*. And start their own party of Trump.



*Usually spelled RHINO'S. :thumbsup:
 
dudalb said:
I admit is is amusing to see him turn on Fox News because the Conspiracy Crap he is pushing is too much even for them.
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Fox is still suggesting that SCOTUS will review Rudy's slapped down case. Giuliani is expected to file an appeal that Justice Alito would first review and then bring to the full court.

Even though a case this pathetic in most other situations Alito would deny immediately. Something tells me however he'll take it to the full court. Not because he thinks the case has merit but because he might be looking for cover. By taking it to the full court it can be smacked down with anonymity. Simply the court denies the writ without knowing which specific judges sided against Trump.
 
acbytesla said:
I really like his new nickname. # Diaper Don
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Ironic. In last week's issue of The New Yorker they had a comic spread titled, "Is It Time To Change the President?" 'Change' as in, "Oh dear! I think donnie has soiled himself." :(
 

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The Atheist said:
Bit weak. That could be some old bloke in Depends.

You need something that conveys his mental age like that but also includes his major fault: being a vile scumbag.
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Not weak. In fact, so strong he whined about it and accused Twitter of conspiring against him by making it trending.

Clearly it worked.

The guy is deranged.
 
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