Cont: 2020 Presidential Election part 3

[Skeptic Ginger]

Yep. States are pretty tight lipped about exactly how the election systems work and what audits are run. I have only heard vague clues in the past where some system raised some issues that had to be looked into.

Everything should be logged. That should include when a device is turned on or off and where a drive is connected or disconnected. There should be multiple sets of data for different steps recorded on completely separated systems. There should be many data audits and an analysis of the application codes and data stores on files on all devices.

Someone swapping out a drive with their own data should very easily set off many clear and obvious red flags across multiple system checks.

This is a bit like showing how easy it is for a burglar to break into a person's home, but then claiming that the burglar could steal all the person's stuff and the person would never know. Doing it and getting away with it are vastly different things. “Last night somebody broke into my apartment and replaced everything with exact duplicates." - Steven Wright

Pffffttt...details details.

 

[Meadmaker]

Yep. States are pretty tight lipped about exactly how the election systems work and what audits are run. I have only heard vague clues in the past where some system raised some issues that had to be looked into.

Everything should be logged. That should include when a device is turned on or off and where a drive is connected or disconnected. There should be multiple sets of data for different steps recorded on completely separated systems. There should be many data audits and an analysis of the application codes and data stores on files on all devices.

Someone swapping out a drive with their own data should very easily set off many clear and obvious red flags across multiple system checks.

This is a bit like showing how easy it is for a burglar to break into a person's home, but then claiming that the burglar could steal all the person's stuff and the person would never know. Doing it and getting away with it are vastly different things. “Last night somebody broke into my apartment and replaced everything with exact duplicates." - Steven Wright

It wouldn't surprise me if state election systems lacked some or all of what there ought to be, just because they are typically procured by people who lack IT expertise, and are budget conscious.

On the other hand, this isn't 1990 where the only people who understand IT are a group of young whippersnappers. I miss those days. i was one of those young whippersnappers.

However, even if they are not state of the art, well designed systems, I'm pretty sure they have at least some of that, and if someone was doing 47 fraudulent updates, I'm pretty sure it would be traceable.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Trump Tweets

Biden can only enter the White House as President if he can prove that his ridiculous “80,000,000 votes” were not fraudulently or illegally obtained. When you see what happened in Detroit, Atlanta, Philadelphia & Milwaukee, massive voter fraud, he’s got a big unsolvable problem!

Big Tech and the Fake News Media have partnered to Suppress. Freedom of the Press is gone, a thing of the past. That’s why they refuse to report the real facts and figures of the 2020 Election or even, where’s Hunter!

Adding to my previous comment: he thinks it's his decision.

Trump: I'm not giving Joe my ball until he admits he lost.
Teacher: Donny! Give Joe the ball, it's not your ball, it's the school's!​

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

It wouldn't surprise me if state election systems lacked some or all of what there ought to be, just because they are typically procured by people who lack IT expertise, and are budget conscious.

On the other hand, this isn't 1990 where the only people who understand IT are a group of young whippersnappers. I miss those days. i was one of those young whippersnappers.

However, even if they are not state of the art, well designed systems, I'm pretty sure they have at least some of that, and if someone was doing 47 fraudulent updates, I'm pretty sure it would be traceable.

Wouldn't the poll workers have access to the IT person they could call if something isn't working?

I can't believe these elections' Sec.s of State don't have departments with IT folks working there.

 

[acbytesla]

Trump doing it again

Trump has no limits to how low he will go.

He has invited Pennsylvania lawmakers to the White House in another attempt to get them to seat Trump electors.

 

[Craig4]

Trump Tweets

Biden can only enter the White House as President if he can prove that his ridiculous “80,000,000 votes” were not fraudulently or illegally obtained. When you see what happened in Detroit, Atlanta, Philadelphia & Milwaukee, massive voter fraud, he’s got a big unsolvable problem!

Big Tech and the Fake News Media have partnered to Suppress. Freedom of the Press is gone, a thing of the past. That’s why they refuse to report the real facts and figures of the 2020 Election or even, where’s Hunter!

President elect Biden won't even be bothered to respond to this. Trump will say this again, Biden will ignore him and take up residence in The White House as if Trump had never said a thing. Joe Biden is already restoring dignity to the office by not lowering himself to notice Trump's rants.

 

[Meadmaker]

Adding to my previous comment: he thinks it's his decision.

I think he is really melting down.

His snap at a reporter with "Don't talk to the President of the United States like that" and "You're a low-life and I'm President", I think is very revealing about his state of mind. He needs to prop himself up.

He's such a hurt little boy.

Jimmy Carter was considered a pretty lousy president, and he got thrown out on his ear after one term, and the history books haven't been kind to him. Indeed, I think they have been less kind than Carter deserved. However, Carter handled his loss and the transition to the new president with class, and so at the twilight of his life, he isn't looked back on as a good President, but he is looked up to as a good man.

Similarly with George H. W. Bush. He was a one term president, but he remained admired.

I don't think Donald Trump's legacy will hold up as well as theirs did.

 

[azazal]

Adding to my previous comment: he thinks it's his decision.

Trump: I'm not giving Joe my ball until he admits he lost.
Teacher: Donny! Give Joe the ball, it's not your ball, it's the school's!​

If only Obama had done the same thing 4 years ago.

 

[Paul2]

Trump Tweets

Biden can only enter the White House as President if he can prove that his ridiculous “80,000,000 votes” were not fraudulently or illegally obtained. When you see what happened in Detroit, Atlanta, Philadelphia & Milwaukee, massive voter fraud, he’s got a big unsolvable problem!

Big Tech and the Fake News Media have partnered to Suppress. Freedom of the Press is gone, a thing of the past. That’s why they refuse to report the real facts and figures of the 2020 Election or even, where’s Hunter!

This is a glaring misunderstanding of what freedom of the press is.

 

[Tero]

Trump has no limits to how low he will go.

He has invited Pennsylvania lawmakers to the White House in another attempt to get them to seat Trump electors.

Not likely this would get very far. It would be interesting if even one state got as far as proposing Trump electors. I'm curious what the process is.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I think he is really melting down.

His snap at a reporter with "Don't talk to the President of the United States like that" and "You're a low-life and I'm President", I think is very revealing about his state of mind. He needs to prop himself up.

He's such a hurt little boy.

Mary Trump commented in the VICE interview linked above:

“The thing that’s most driving him right now is the desperation to turn the loss into a win,” Mary Trump said. But his anxiety about losing the power of the presidency to manage his legal affairs may prompt him into ever-more extreme behavior as his looming exit draws closer, with potentially damaging consequences for his predecessor and for the country, Mary Trump said.

“If Donald feels rejected by the American people, he’s not going to distinguish people who voted for him from people who didn’t,” Mary Trump said. “He’s going to take all of us down with him.”

Similarly with George H. W. Bush. He was a one term president, but he remained admired.

By whom? Jeb sabotaged his own campaign when he refused to criticize GW in the primary. And that was among Republicans.

I don't think Donald Trump's legacy will hold up as well as theirs did.

This plan of the Donald J Trump Library provides a good idea of what he should be remembered for.

https://djtrumplibrary.com/

Scroll down for a long list of what you would find there. But also scroll across through the rooms (or watch as the slide show scrolls for you) starting with the COVID Memorial to see the beautifully planned rooms. I like that the best.

 

[Bob001]

.....
Jimmy Carter was considered a pretty lousy president, and he got thrown out on his ear after one term, and the history books haven't been kind to him. Indeed, I think they have been less kind than Carter deserved. However, Carter handled his loss and the transition to the new president with class, and so at the twilight of his life, he isn't looked back on as a good President, but he is looked up to as a good man.
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I dunno. What sank Carter was the Iranian hostage catastrophe and a weak economy. But he was on the right side in a lot of areas. He should get full credit for the Egypt-Israel peace deal and the SALT limits on nuclear weapons. He created the departments of Education and Energy. He was a civil rights and environmental advocate. The country could have been better off if he had won a second term over Reagan.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

This is a glaring misunderstanding of what freedom of the press is.

Not to mention ironic given Newsmax and OANN appear to be 'news' sites (schilling for Trump).

 

[Darat]

The unanimous ruling from the three judges on the U.S. Third Circuit Court of Appeals, all of whom were nominated by Republican presidents, said that the Trump campaign's "claims have no merit.

The 21-page opinion points out that when standing before Brann in a courtroom, Giuliani said that the campaign "doesn't plead fraud".

"Calling an election unfair does not make it so,...Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here."

Basically the Third Circuit judge slammed every argument that the Trump legal team made in Pennsylvania. Every argument.

I’ve read it through and the court goes well beyond what they had to do. They upheld the original decision to deny the 2nd amendment based on a further delay (often quoting the plaintiffs’ request for speed) but then went on to consider if it had been allowed it wouldn’t have mattered anyway.

They’ve pretty much closed off all avenues for any appeal of their judgement, it will be interesting to see what Trump Inc will come up with to appeal.

 

[Mikemcc]

I would expect so. The complaint for the Georgia case incorrectly cites the Pennsylvania constitution instead of the Georgia constitution, which indicates they were working on a Pennsylvania case and got their information mixed up for the Georgia complaint.

Really? Copy and pasting in a major legal case and they couldn't be bothered to proof read it?

 

[Meadmaker]

This is a glaring misunderstanding of what freedom of the press is.

Freedom of the press is gone! We can prove that by showing that there are all sorts of media outlets saying all sorts of things, but the government doesn't like most of it!

 

[dudalb]

Trump has no limits to how low he will go.

He has invited Pennsylvania lawmakers to the White House in another attempt to get them to seat Trump electors.

AGAIN/

What is that about a classic definition of idiocy is doing the same exact thing wit the same exact conditions and expect different results/

 

[Darat]

It wouldn't surprise me if state election systems lacked some or all of what there ought to be, just because they are typically procured by people who lack IT expertise, and are budget conscious.

On the other hand, this isn't 1990 where the only people who understand IT are a group of young whippersnappers. I miss those days. i was one of those young whippersnappers.

However, even if they are not state of the art, well designed systems, I'm pretty sure they have at least some of that, and if someone was doing 47 fraudulent updates, I'm pretty sure it would be traceable.

If you think about you are falling for the big lie: There is no reason to suspect that the state’s procedures are poor or have any gaps etc.

We know numerous investigations have never turned up fraud on the scale that is being claimed here. So there is nothing to explain, it’s really a variant of the good old ”JAQ” technique the 9/11 conspiracy nutters used to use.

 

[dudalb]

Not likely this would get very far. It would be interesting if even one state got as far as proposing Trump electors. I'm curious what the process is.

Won't happen in PA for no other reason then both the GOP Legislature leaders have ambitions to be governor; for that in a swing state they will need swing votes, and overturning the popular election result would be plain political suicide.

 

[kookbreaker]

Was this already mentioned?

Trump ‘haemorrhaging’ Twitter followers in wake of election defeat {Independent)

It's heart rendering I tells ya'!

The bots are fleeing the app.