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Cont: 2020 Presidential Election part 3

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I think there will be a Trump Legacy in that every few years someone will try to get some Trump spawn to run for some office.
 
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Trump was leading by 600,000 on election night. The next day, we see 570,000 votes in PA for Biden, 3,200 for Trump. (Trump got less than 1%.) The probability of getting these lopsided numbers is precisely zero! This is prima facie evidence of voter fraud
 
Captain_Swoop said:
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Trump was leading by 600,000 on election night. The next day, we see 570,000 votes in PA for Biden, 3,200 for Trump. (Trump got less than 1%.) The probability of getting these lopsided numbers is precisely zero! This is prima facie evidence of voter fraud
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That messagd id prima favie evidence of either idiocy or total dishonesty.

Note that the conjunction is 'or', not 'xor'.
 
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I think we're seeing exactly what Vladimir Putin envisioned with a trump presidency, why he supported it in 2016 and put his Russian internet team to work trying to achieve it. Exactly what Putin and his cohorts have done in other nations. Work to destabilize their democracy. It wasn't about donald trump, it was about destabilizing US democracy and the best way to try and achieve it. It's painful to watch it happening in the US.

trump has a long history of claiming fraud whenever he doesn't get something he wants, as Hillary Clinton explained during one of the 2016 debates. One needs to remember, at one point trump was very friendly towards the Clintons.

 

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But they already certified the results.
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It occurs to me that a judge with future political ambitions might think it was worthwhile to curry favour with Trump's supporters by issuing a ruling which appears to support his bid to overturn the election result, but in fact can't have any real world consequences because it's trying to halt a process that has been completed and hence has already halted. But I'm sure I'm being far too cynical here.

Dave
 
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Dinesh D'Souza Tweets

@DineshDSouza
Trump was leading by 600,000 on election night. The next day, we see 570,000 votes in PA for Biden, 3,200 for Trump. (Trump got less than 1%.) The probability of getting these lopsided numbers is precisely zero! This is prima facie evidence of voter fraud
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Another piece of classic conspiracism; pull a number out of thin air then pretend that it proves something in the real world. Of course, we'll never see the calculation by which he determines this probability is precisely zero.

Dave
 
Dave Rogers said:
Another piece of classic conspiracism; pull a number out of thin air then pretend that it proves something in the real world. Of course, we'll never see the calculation by which he determines this probability is precisely zero.

Dave
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It is probably very close to zero if ballots are processed randomly.

It still baffles me that Trump and co really thought this would work:
1. Don't let absentee ballots be processed early in MI, PA, ...
2. Push Republican voters to vote on election day.
3. Assume (correctly, as it appears), that many Democratic voters will prefer absentee ballots, because of the pandemic, even if that pandemic is a nothingberder that ended on Easter.
4. Point to the Red Mirage during the early hours of vote counting.
5. Hmmm .... Invoke magic? Go to the courts? KRAKEN?
6. Trump wins MI, PA, ...

It was never clear how 5. would work in the real world, unless Trump actually led in these states after all ballots were counted.

Trump, Powell, Giuliani, Dinesh D'Souza and other MAGA idiots are still stuck at 5., not knowing how to make it work.
 
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It was never clear how 5. would work in the real world, unless Trump actually led in these states after all ballots were counted.

Trump, Powell, Giuliani, Dinesh D'Souza and other MAGA idiots are still stuck at 5., not knowing how to make it work.
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I think they based their strategy on the Underpants Gnomes' business model.

Dave
 
It's really not funny, though, because trump and his cohorts HAVE succeeded in convincing millions of people that US elections are neither free nor fair. Is that sentiment going to become established? How will this play out in future elections? How does a democracy operate when a sizable segment of the citizenry claim to believe the elections are rigged?

The story is going round the world. Even the New Zealand media is reporting on it:
An overwhelming majority of Republicans believe the election was "stolen" from Donald Trump and do not accept Joe Biden as the legitimate President-elect, two new polls have found...The report, which surveyed 1500 voters online between November 10 and 19, also found 12 per cent of Biden voters agreed that the election was stolen. "Mr Trump's messaging that focused on illegal voting and fraud has resonated for nearly eight in 10 of his voters," the report notes. NZ Herald
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But Bubba keeps telling us the Kraken is going be unleased any day now...
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jimbob said:
And it has:
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Transcription problem. “Kraken” was actually “crack”, as in “Trump’s elite super legal strike team is smoking crack.”
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Dinesh D'Souza Tweets

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You mean convicted felon Dinesh D'Souza?
timhau said:
That messagd id prima favie evidence of either idiocy or total dishonesty.

Note that the conjunction is 'or', not 'xor'.
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Quite. In this case, we again see the use of “The probability is x” for “I don’t understand it, and I’m lying about it anyway, but I don’t like it”.

That the so-called “conservative” world once regarded this dolt as some sort of intellectual is hilarious.
 
newyorkguy said:
It's really not funny, though, because trump and his cohorts HAVE succeeded in convincing millions of people that US elections are neither free nor fair. Is that sentiment going to become established? How will this play out in future elections? How does a democracy operate when a sizable segment of the citizenry claim to believe the elections are rigged?

The story is going round the world. Even the New Zealand media is reporting on it:
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Of course it's not funny, the way Trump tries to steal the election, and getting little or no push-back from elected Republicans.

But I think it's too early to know how durable the sentiment will be with the Republican electorate. You've never had a president like Trump, and it's hard to imagine what a factor he will be in the coming years.
I know he is leading the polls for Republican nominee in 2024, but really, lets wait for the post-Trump reality to settle.

What (almost) certainly will happen is a new push by Republicans for voter suppression, but that's a given anyway.

But, yeah, while we are allowed to make jokes, the situation Trump has put the US and the world in is not funny at all.
 
These are very troubling times. Even back in the bad old 1970s -- Nixon, the Vietnam War, urban rioting, a soaring crime rate, Watergate -- there was nothing like this. The idea this will all go away once Biden is sworn in and trump (finally, somehow) exits center stage may not be accurate. I hope it is but a lot of people have some very strong concerns. From USA Today:
Trump’s refusal to concede, and his and other Republican lawmakers’ relentless, unfounded allegations of widespread voter fraud, threaten the integrity of American democracy, many election officials and experts warn...“We have to have the possibility of losing a fair election for our democracy to work,” Justin Levitt, associate dean for research at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles said. “If the only possibilities going into an election are, ‘We won or it was stolen,’ that’s not a democracy anymore.” USA Today link
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And as usual-
The Trump campaign and the White House did not respond to requests for comment.
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jimbob said:
And it has:

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In her Michigan file, she writes "EASTERN DISTRCT OF MICHIGAN".

Must be some secret code in Q-world, these 50 ways to spell DISTRICT.
 
newyorkguy said:
I think we're seeing exactly what Vladimir Putin envisioned with a trump presidency, why he supported it in 2016 and put his Russian internet team to work trying to achieve it. Exactly what Putin and his cohorts have done in other nations. Work to destabilize their democracy. It wasn't about donald trump, it was about destabilizing US democracy and the best way to try and achieve it. It's painful to watch it happening in the US.

trump has a long history of claiming fraud whenever he doesn't get something he wants, as Hillary Clinton explained during one of the 2016 debates. One needs to remember, at one point trump was very friendly towards the Clintons.

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Putin got exactly what he dared not wish for in his wildest dreams. It worked so much better than could have been foreseen.
 
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