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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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ChrisBFRPKY said:
I do find it odd that there were so many Republican wins down ticket in some of the same areas where Biden won the majority of votes for President. There was no "blue wave" to accompany a Biden win yet there seems to be evidence of a "red wave" down ticket with an incumbent Presidential loss.

However, I'm not bringing the cases. I can only comment on cases that have been brought. I do know that the Republican down ticket wins are part of the legal argument for fraud in the Presidential race. It may not be evidence of fraud though, it may only appear improper though further fueling allegations of fraud.

If there are any cases being brought by Democrat candidates that lost their elections the media is certainly burying them for some reason.
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I don't. President Trump is incredibly popular with his base and party loyalists but very unpopular with swing voters and waverers.

People like my late father in law hated President Trump but would have otherwise voted a straight GOP ticket.
 
slyjoe said:
Who made a legal argument for fraud?
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Dave Rogers said:
So you're saying that Trump personally doing worse in the election than the Republican Party in general suggests election fraud rather than that Trump himself is more unpopular than the Republican party? I would suggest that that's an absurd conclusion to draw, because if widespread voter fraud were being committed by the Democratic Party it would be conducted in such a way as to give them control of the Senate as well, whereas Trump's well-documented unpopularity explains results much more simply.



Would these be the legal arguments for fraud that the lawyers bringing all the cases so far have specifically denied form any part of their case? If they had an actual legal argument for fraud, wouldn't they actually present it in court rather than denying that they're talking about fraud in any way, shape or form?



And finally, a beautiful piece of classic conspiracism; the fact that we haven't seen evidence of something strongly suggests a cover-up, rather than simply that it isn't happening. Unfalsifiable hypotheses are so much fun, aren't they?

Dave
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https://www.scribd.com/document/484868949/Bucks-County-Stip

Perhaps it would be better if you guys actually read the filing rather than relying on an online Left leaning source's story about the filing.
 
JoeMorgue said:
The whole "Let's stop the discussion and define exactly how organized Antifa is" thing has always confounded me.

Whether or not Antifa is good or bad (and for the record I'm firmly on the "It's good" side) it has nothing to do with how organized or "official" it is.

Plenty of groups do bad things without some heirchial organization.
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I think it had to do with someone claiming to have infiltrated Antifa and sat in on one of their phone meetings. Is Antifa actually organized to such an extent that they have meetings? Who takes the minutes?
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
I do find it odd that there were so many Republican wins down ticket in some of the same areas where Biden won the majority of votes for President. There was no "blue wave" to accompany a Biden win yet there seems to be evidence of a "red wave" down ticket with an incumbent Presidential loss.
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To me, that isn't odd at all.

People think that Trump is unfit, personally, to be President of the United States. It's not that they don't like Republican policies. It's that they don't like Trump.

I sometimes read National Review. In their commentary this election year, there were an awful lot of anti-Trump columns, some of which went so far as to advocate voting for Biden. Trump's character was so bad, in their view, that even a Democrat would be a better choice. I'm confident those people voted for Biden, and then voted for every other Republican.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Perhaps it would be better if you guys actually read the filing rather than relying on an online Left leaning not reality denying source's story about the filing.
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Fixed that for you.

This is like a Creationist telling us to "Look in the Bible" during a debate on Evolution.
 
A large number of the GOP winners were also incumbents. Incumbents often have a built advantage in the US when it comes to voting. Trump in theory also had said advantage but had a strong element of people wanting him out for a host of reasons.
 
Darat said:
What statistical analysis have you done to come to that conclusion?
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The loss of Democrat seats in the House of Representatives verses the number of Republican gains there. Republicans are up 8, Democrats down 7.

I've not any "statistical analysis" other than glancing at the numbers of the wins and losses. Down ticket Republicans have done very well. Though Democrats still hold the majority in the House, Republicans have narrowed the gap substantially. Republicans retain the Senate as well at this time.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
https://www.scribd.com/document/484868949/Bucks-County-Stip

Perhaps it would be better if you guys actually read the filing rather than relying on an online Left leaning source's story about the filing.
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27. Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots.

28. Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any misconduct in connection with the challenged ballots.

29. Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any impropriety in connection with the challenged ballots​
 
States that go Red/Blue for the President having opposing Blue/Red Senators/Congressman/Governors/Etc is hardly a new phenomenon. Can't imagine (outside of the obvious reasons) why anyone would start spewing conspiracy lies because of it now.
 
Darat said:
27. Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots.

28. Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any misconduct in connection with the challenged ballots.

29. Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any impropriety in connection with the challenged ballots​
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Perhaps the filing itself is a left-leaning source.

Dave
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
The loss of Democrat seats in the House of Representatives verses the number of Republican gains there. Republicans are up 8, Democrats down 7.

I've not any "statistical analysis" other than glancing at the numbers of the wins and losses. Down ticket Republicans have done very well. Though Democrats still hold the majority in the House, Republicans have narrowed the gap substantially. Republicans retain the Senate as well at this time.
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Can you explain how you would expect this to be different if a large number of Republicans simply hated Trump? Given that he himself has accused many fellow Republicans of failing to give him their support, to the extent of coining the term 'never-Trumpers' to refer to them, this should hardly be a far-fetched possibility.

Dave
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Is that ALL of the ballots in question within the case or SOME of the ballots within the case.
Your post is as dishonest as those cherry picking Left leaning articles.
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How about YOU read the goddamn source you're telling us to read before spouting off easily disproven nonsense?
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Is that ALL of the ballots in question within the case or SOME of the ballots within the case.
Your post is as dishonest as those cherry picking Left leaning articles.
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(1) Darat's post, not mine.
(2) It's a straight quote from the filing.
(3) Come on, you can't be serious if you think "Petitioners do not allege, and there is no evidence of, any fraud in connection with the challenged ballots" really means "Petitioners allege that there is evidence of fraud but not with all of the challenged ballots."

Anyone impartial might think you've been caught lying and you're desperately trying to reverse the meaning of a perfectly clear sentence to cover it up.

Dave
 
It seems pretty clear that the answer to the down-ballot Republican wins is that their candidate for president sucked. It looks like some traditionally Republican voters and more conservative swing voters just didn't want Trump to keep being president. Why would anyone be confused by this? The only confusing thing for me is why so many people expected the stupid bastard to win. Approval ratings and job numbers like we had in October don't generally lead to reelection. The analysis should be on why Trump did as well as he did considering his loss was entirely expected.
 
Darat said:
Yes. Read the filing yourself.
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"38.

Excluding the 627 ballots subject to the order issued by Justice Alito of the U.S.Supreme Court as discussed below, each of the remaining challenged ballots in the instant Petitionwas timely received by Defendant before 8:00 p.m. on Election Day, November 3, 2020.39.

Petitioners challenged all ballots received after 8:00 p.m., on the Tuesday November 3, 2020, which were set aside and separated into five (5) categories as follows: (1)Ballots Postmarked November 3rd or earlier; (2) Ballots with Illegible Postmarks; (3) Ballots with No Postmark; (4) Ballots Postmarked after November 3rd; and (5) Miscellaneous.40.

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court in
Pa. Democratic Party v. Boockvar
, No. 133MM 2020, 2020 WL 5554644, (Pa. Sept. 17, 2020) held that all mail-in ballots which were postmarked on or prior to November 3, 2020, or that did not bear a postmark, and were receivedon November 3, 2020 after 8:00 p.m. and before 5:00 p.m. on Friday November 6, 2020, must becounted.41.

Defendant found that 627 ballots received after 8:00 p.m. on November 3, 2020must be counted under this decision. 42.

Defendant determined all other ballots received after 8:00 p.m. on November 3,2020 could not be canvassed under the above-referenced Pennsylvania Supreme Court decision.43.
The court must deny Petitioners challenge to the 627 ballots received after 8:00 p.m., on November 3, 2020 due to the current Pennsylvania Supreme Court precedent. However,all parties agree that Defendant must segregate and canvass these ballots in a manner compliantwith the United States Supreme Court Order of Justice Samuel Alito."
 
Craig4 said:
It seems pretty clear that the answer to the down-ballot Republican wins is that their candidate for president sucked. It looks like some traditionally Republican voters and more conservative swing voters just didn't want Trump to keep being president. Why would anyone be confused by this?
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I don't think anyone's genuinely confused about it. It's just a convenient hook to hang a lie on.

Dave
 
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