Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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ChrisBFRPKY said:
A Biden Presidency will not affect me personally or financially. Allegations of corrupt elections bother me. Whoever wins is fine, winning without question is preferred.
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you are aware that there is a lot of accusations of voting irregularities in districts won by Republicans, but because they don't affect the total outcome, no one is bringing charges.

If the Trump Team would focus on where there are the biggest issues, instead of where they think there is the biggest chance to exclude the most Biden voters, you might have a point.

But as it stands, it looks a lot like you are only interested in possible corruption if it could help Trump.
 
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ChrisBFRPKY said:
A Biden Presidency will not affect me personally or financially. Allegations of corrupt elections bother me. Whoever wins is fine, winning without question is preferred.
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do deliberately false allegations of corrupt elections bother you too?

it's obvious at this point that there's no evidence of any widespread voter fraud coming. there's barely evidence of isolated, tiny pockets of voter fraud. but you're constantly latching on to every stupid allegation like it might be the one this time. it's not going to be, there wasn't a cannibal pedophile ring that stole the election from the under cover real estate agent messiah. it's done.

and it's all coming from people with absolutely no credibility before the fraud allegations started, and they've somehow lost even more credibility as this has gone on. they've presented absolutely nothing. they're on tv explaining these elaborate, insane, nonsensical conspiracies about how it happened and just time and time again bringing nothing to the table when they're asked to prove it. yet people continue to take them at their word. you guys are rubes, and they're making money hand over fist off of it. it's sad.

and it all seems to be taken serious by these crazy alt right news sites and q anon message boards, which i'll remind you started on what's basically an image board for pedophiles and incels, that started out as an arg that got hijacked by a nutter from the phillipines who they're not inviting on their alt right news sites like he's got some secret info on the whole thing. that's insane, you know that right? that this is where you're getting your information, that normal conservative views are too left leaning.

this is what has become of american conservativism, coughing in people's faces during a pandemic and protesting democracy while handing your money over to populist elitists that are obviously everything they claim to be fighting against. it's ******* sad bro.

bro, tucker carlson is getting disillusioned here. tucker carlson, and he's a giant piece of ****. what are you left with when he's too left leaning?

you're not the only person doing this so you're not alone in it. and you're one of the more reasonable ones by the way. like, not reasonable, but more reasonable. this is just me talking to you here, but as a guy who's seen this on the internet for a few weeks, you should know it's very weird to watch.
 
Foggy of the Fogbow said:
Bubba, please help me.

I want to join Antifa. I am as anti-fascist as they come. I hate fascists.

But I can't find a phone number, or an address of their HQ, or even a website that will let me join Antifa. Everybody says there is no such organization, just a bunch of people who hate fascism, like I do.

Is there an organization? If so, how do I join? I'm willing to learn the secret handshake!
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That's a bit like saying "There's no evangelical Christianhristian organization".

Yeah there's no singular Antifa HQ, but just like evangelical Christianity, you can think of Antifa as a bunch of smaller groups with shared ideas. You can absolutely join one of these groups just like you can join an evangelical church. And while I think the boogeyman status the right is trying to give them is absurd, the idea that they don't exist just because they're not formally centralized is equally silly.

It's been more than a decade since I've hung out in antifa circles and things may have changed a bit since.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
A Biden Presidency will not affect me personally or financially. Allegations of corrupt elections bother me. Whoever wins is fine, winning without question is preferred.
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Of all the court cases, do any allege fraud? So far, all the allegations of fraud have been made in press conferences or on conservative media news shows. Why are concerned about corruption when no corruption is being asserted in court?
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
A Biden Presidency will not affect me personally or financially. Allegations of corrupt elections bother me. Whoever wins is fine, winning without question is preferred.
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I feel like you should probably require a qualification on the allegations like, "credible."

Your willingness to be bother by any allegations seems odd.
 
Cavemonster said:
That's a bit like saying "There's no evangelical Christian organization".

Yeah there's no singular Antifa HQ, but just like evangelical Christianity, you can think of Antifa as a bunch of smaller groups with shared ideas. You can absolutely join one of these groups just like you can join an evangelical church.
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Actually, I can get the phone number and location of any number of evangelical churches in my area. They're very public.

But there's no phone number, no location, and no website for any Antifa group in my area. Or in any area, really.

If you have access to that information, please share. I live in North Raleigh, NC.
 
The whole "Let's stop the discussion and define exactly how organized Antifa is" thing has always confounded me.

Whether or not Antifa is good or bad (and for the record I'm firmly on the "It's good" side) it has nothing to do with how organized or "official" it is.

Plenty of groups do bad things without some heirchial organization.
 
dirtywick said:
If I was a Trump supporter I’d get tired of looking foolish after charging all over the internet with these comically stupid stories. I’d also be tired of sending him money.
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Their kind lack the intelligence to understand that they do look foolish. They just like the circus and aren't smart enough to notice that the bread keeps being delayed.
 
JoeMorgue said:
The whole "Let's stop the discussion and define exactly how organized Antifa is" thing has always confounded me.

Whether or not Antifa is good or bad (and for the record I'm firmly on the "It's good" side) it has nothing to do with how organized or "official" it is.

Plenty of groups do bad things without some heirchial organization.
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It's part of conservative victimhood. They frequently try to make organizations they don't like seems bigger and scarier than they really are, so conservatives can think they are fighting against enormous forces that are keeping them down, rather than complaining when the little guy hits back. Liberals don't like to give them the satisfaction and quickly shut down attempts to make these organizations scarier than they really are.
 
Random said:
It's part of conservative victimhood. They frequently try to make organizations they don't like seems bigger and scarier than they really are, so conservatives can think they are fighting against enormous forces that are keeping them down, rather than complaining when the little guy hits back. Liberals don't like to give them the satisfaction and quickly shut down attempts to make these organizations scarier than they really are.
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Exactly. Same with Christians.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
you are aware that there is a lot of accusations of voting irregularities in districts won by Republicans, but because they don't affect the total outcome, no one is bringing charges.

If the Trump Team would focus on where there are the biggest issues, instead of where they think there is the biggest chance to exclude the most Biden voters, you might have a point.

But as it stands, it looks a lot like you are only interested in possible corruption if it could help Trump.
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I do find it odd that there were so many Republican wins down ticket in some of the same areas where Biden won the majority of votes for President. There was no "blue wave" to accompany a Biden win yet there seems to be evidence of a "red wave" down ticket with an incumbent Presidential loss.

However, I'm not bringing the cases. I can only comment on cases that have been brought. I do know that the Republican down ticket wins are part of the legal argument for fraud in the Presidential race. It may not be evidence of fraud though, it may only appear improper though further fueling allegations of fraud.

If there are any cases being brought by Democrat candidates that lost their elections the media is certainly burying them for some reason.
 
Foggy of the Fogbow said:
Actually, I can get the phone number and location of any number of evangelical churches in my area. They're very public.

But there's no phone number, no location, and no website for any Antifa group in my area. Or in any area, really.

If you have access to that information, please share. I live in North Raleigh, NC.
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Could you cut to the chase? It sounds like you're trying to snarkily suggest that because you can't just look up "antifa" on google and find a phone number for the local chapter that groups which identify as antifa don't exist. Or that they're not... something? It really would be better if you made your point rather than dancing around it.

If you legitimately would like to join an antifascist group. As I said, it's been a while since I travelled in those circles, but I tended to come in contact through other activists and arts spaces. Generally self identified anarchists are a good bet. You might have some luck by joining your local chapter of "Food Not Bombs". Although if you roll up on the first day and say "So guys, how do I join Antifa?" they may think you're a cop. You're not that far from Carrborro, which is a place I've spent time with antifa folks in the past.

Corronavirus tends to complicate most efforts at meeting new people. But in a more open time, just attend a bunch of big protests, gravitate towards the anarchist crowd (you'll be able to recognize them) and you'll find your peeps.
 
JoeMorgue said:
The whole "Let's stop the discussion and define exactly how organized Antifa is" thing has always confounded me.

Whether or not Antifa is good or bad (and for the record I'm firmly on the "It's good" side) it has nothing to do with how organized or "official" it is.

Plenty of groups do bad things without some heirchial organization.
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Eh, I tend to comment because most of this stuff is about speculation or ethics, ultimately nebulous. In the case of antifa, I have direct knowledge and it's a factual question. So long as we're going to discuss things, it's nice to keep the facts grounded when we can.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
I do find it odd that there were so many Republican wins down ticket in some of the same areas where Biden won the majority of votes for President. There was no "blue wave" to accompany a Biden win yet there seems to be evidence of a "red wave" down ticket with an incumbent Presidential loss.

However, I'm not bringing the cases. I can only comment on cases that have been brought. I do know that the Republican down ticket wins are part of the legal argument for fraud in the Presidential race. It may not be evidence of fraud though, it may only appear improper though further fueling allegations of fraud.

If there are any cases being brought by Democrat candidates that lost their elections the media is certainly burying them for some reason.
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Who made a legal argument for fraud?
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
I do find it odd that there were so many Republican wins down ticket in some of the same areas where Biden won the majority of votes for President. There was no "blue wave" to accompany a Biden win yet there seems to be evidence of a "red wave" down ticket with an incumbent Presidential loss.
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So you're saying that Trump personally doing worse in the election than the Republican Party in general suggests election fraud rather than that Trump himself is more unpopular than the Republican party? I would suggest that that's an absurd conclusion to draw, because if widespread voter fraud were being committed by the Democratic Party it would be conducted in such a way as to give them control of the Senate as well, whereas Trump's well-documented unpopularity explains results much more simply.

ChrisBFRPKY said:
I do know that the Republican down ticket wins are part of the legal argument for fraud in the Presidential race.
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Would these be the legal arguments for fraud that the lawyers bringing all the cases so far have specifically denied form any part of their case? If they had an actual legal argument for fraud, wouldn't they actually present it in court rather than denying that they're talking about fraud in any way, shape or form?

ChrisBFRPKY said:
If there are any cases being brought by Democrat candidates that lost their elections the media is certainly burying them for some reason.
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And finally, a beautiful piece of classic conspiracism; the fact that we haven't seen evidence of something strongly suggests a cover-up, rather than simply that it isn't happening. Unfalsifiable hypotheses are so much fun, aren't they?

Dave
 
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