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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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jsfisher said:
Ok, I'll bite. I assume you are focusing on the absentee ballot language in the Pennsylvania Constitution, no?

Would you agree that the Pennsylvania Constitution creates a right for absentee balloting by certain electors meeting certain qualifications? That right provides a mechanism for voting by qualified individuals independent of the voting procedures established for the general electorate.

So, where is there a restriction preventing the legislature from enacting mail-in voting?
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The constitution explicitly limits to who is eligible, and it doesn't include everyone.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Okay. I think I see the point you are making. I think it is wrong, but I understand the argument now
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In what way do you think it wrong?

The Pennsylvania Constitution does not specify how absentee ballots are to be delivered for canvassing, only that provisions must be made for certain electors meeting certain conditions. Do not assume they must be mailed in via the USPS. Do not assume, also, that ballots that are mailed in are synonymous with being absentee.

The Pennsylvania legislature gets to decides how the election is conducted (a point, by the way, the Republican Party has already argued and in full support of Act 77). Cannot the legislature allow for votes be submitted on paper ballots either at a polling place in person or via mail via USPS as a general mechanism? If not, why not?
 
Skeptic Tank said:
If someone says "I used to be in the mafia and I had knowledge of mafia hits that were undertaken. This guy who just washed up on the shore has all the telltale signs of a mafia hit, and he was exactly the type of guy they would put a hit out on. He had such and such information and was threatening to expose it..."

It doesn't make sense to say "oh well then why don't you go to the cops and prove it?"

He isn't saying he knows it for a fact, he's saying that as someone who is familiar with the methods of operation, what he's seeing fits the pattern perfectly.
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There is supposed to be a guy who has heard Eric Coomer boast that he had fixed the election.

There are supposed to be people within SmartMatic and Dominion who claim they had training on how to flip votes for Trump.

And a guy who claims to have personally witnessed principles of SmartMatic have a meeting with Chavez and agree to create software to help him cheat on elections.

And there is supposed to be evidence that two very senior Republican figures had taken bribes to flip the election to Biden.

And you say that none of this is the sort of thing that ought to be handed over to some law enforcement authority?
 
jsfisher said:
In what way do you think it wrong?

The Pennsylvania Constitution does not specify how absentee ballots are to be delivered for canvassing, only that provisions must be made for certain electors meeting certain conditions. Do not assume they must be mailed in via the USPS. Do not assume, also, that ballots that are mailed in are synonymous with being absentee.

The Pennsylvania legislature gets to decides how the election is conducted (a point, by the way, the Republican Party has already argued and in full support of Act 77). Cannot the legislature allow for votes be submitted on paper ballots either at a polling place in person or via mail via USPS as a general mechanism? If not, why not?
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I got the piece I wanted and I'm sated.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Why would I offer you a case? I don't care what you think of my position.
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That's pretty obnoxious. Jsfisher politely addressed your question and provided reasoning. Don't you think you owe it to him to provide your rationale?

Or is it just a one way street with you?
 
BobTheCoward said:
Why would I offer you a case? I don't care what you think of my position.
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How about because you offered it up as a discussion topic with the following post.

BobTheCoward said:
Related to PA shenanigans....


How the heck is act 77 Constitutional? Why is that republican incorrect that it is unconstitutional?

It seems like it clearly violates PA's constitution.
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Now, that someone is actually willing to engage you on this, you back away with general comments equivalent to, "You're wrong, but I won't discuss it."

You are certainly entitled to your approach, as are we entitled to how we judge the motives and methods of other posters.
 
jsfisher said:
How about because you offered it up as a discussion topic with the following post.




Now, that someone is actually willing to engage you on this, you back away with general comments equivalent to, "You're wrong, but I won't discuss it."

You are certainly entitled to your approach, as are we entitled to how we judge the motives and methods of other posters.
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My question was how, and they provided an answer to how. No follow up is necessary. The question was resolved in full.
 
acbytesla said:
That's pretty obnoxious. Jsfisher politely addressed your question and provided reasoning. Don't you think you owe it to him to provide your rationale?

Or is it just a one way street with you?
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No. I don't feel anything is owed. If anything, you are spared some pedantic argument. Consider that the reward.
 
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BobTheCoward said:
My question was how, and they provided an answer to how. No follow up is necessary. The question was resolved in full.
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If you want more information, I had previously address this issue in the other thread. Basically, the Pennsylvania constitution does not prohibit the legislature from permitting mail-inn voting. It does require that the legislature establish procedures for absentee voting for people in certain circumstance. But it only requires that absentee mail-in ballot be allowed in those condition, it does not prohibit allowing mail-in ballots in other, or even all, conditions.

DevilsAdvocate said:
The complaint is that it is in violation of the Pennsylvania constitution, not the U.S. constitution. The argument is that the Pennsylvania constitution requires that voting be done in person except for certain specific circumstances outlined in the constitution where absentee voting is permitted.

A big problem here is that the constitution itself does not actually say that. It grants the legislature the authority to determine how elections are done. The constitution does specifically require that the legislature establish provisions to allow for absentee voting for some circumstances.

The first assertion is that the constitution requires in person voting because that is the way Pennsylvania courts have traditionally ruled. Unfortunately, the complaint does not cite any case law to support that assertion, making it rather difficult to evaluate the validity of the claim.

The second assertion is that the legislature previously obtained constitutional amendments before passing laws establishing and expanding absentee voting. Before the law was passed last year to allow no-excuse mail-in voting, there was a bill to put an amendment to the constitution on the ballot to require mail-in voting. That is has to be passed by a second legislative session next year and can then go on the November 2021 election ballot.

The assertion is that this demonstrates that the legislature had acknowledged that a constitutional amendment was required to allow no-excuse mail-in voting. But that appears to be false. It appears that the process used for absentee ballots and the proposed amendment for mail-in ballots was simply to make those forms of mailing be required, not because an amendment is a prerequisite to passing such laws.

And, of course, there is an issue with the timing of this filing. They had more than a year to object to the mail-in voting law prior to the election but chose not to do so until after the results of the election were known. Federal law requires states to conduct elections according to the laws in place on election days precisely for this reason.

If you want to meet the deadline for the guideline of filing a motion upholding the decision of the provisions that were written intently by the general assembly as indisputably constitutionally forbidden in the court of Pennsylvania…YOU’RE TOO LATE…because it juuuuuuuust passssssssed byyyyyyyy!
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DevilsAdvocate said:
If you want more information, I had previously address this issue in the other thread. Basically, the Pennsylvania constitution does not prohibit the legislature from permitting mail-inn voting. It does require that the legislature establish procedures for absentee voting for people in certain circumstance. But it only requires that absentee mail-in ballot be allowed in those condition, it does not prohibit allowing mail-in ballots in other, or even all, conditions.
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This post and the one previously have convinced me.
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
If you want more information, I had previously address this issue in the other thread. Basically, the Pennsylvania constitution does not prohibit the legislature from permitting mail-inn voting. It does require that the legislature establish procedures for absentee voting for people in certain circumstance. But it only requires that absentee mail-in ballot be allowed in those condition, it does not prohibit allowing mail-in ballots in other, or even all, conditions.
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Thanks for that other post. You confirmed several things I had suspected but was not sure.
 
Sidney Powell should be able to use her 'Kraken' affidavits for the Flynn case - it's all part of the the same Deep State conspiracy, after all.
 
smartcooky said:
Well that's perfectly possible if they had access to Dr Emmet Brown's DeLorean
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Suddenly it all becomes clear to me.

In the 2020 election, Donald Trump rode the strength of the surging economy to the greatest landslide in American history, capturing 535 electoral votes, losing only Washington D.C. A group of scientists working at Dominion Labs, angry at their loss of Deep State contracts, then perfected the flux capacitor, and used it to travel back in time and introduce a novel coronavirus in 2019. This made Trump look bad, causing him to lose the election.

This explains the lack of evidence of vote fraud. It's all in the other timeline.
 
OAN is reporting on Sidney Powell's claims about Dominion

Meadmaker said:
This explains the lack of evidence of vote fraud.
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Is witness testimony considered evidence? Joe Oltmann might become famous.



Robin said:
There is supposed to be a guy who has heard Eric Coomer boast that he had fixed the election.
There are supposed to be people within SmartMatic and Dominion who claim they had training on how to flip votes for Trump.

And a guy who claims to have personally witnessed principles of SmartMatic have a meeting with Chavez and agree to create software to help him cheat on elections.

And there is supposed to be evidence that two very senior Republican figures had taken bribes to flip the election to Biden.

And you say that none of this is the sort of thing that ought to be handed over to some law enforcement authority?
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One America News is reporting on Dominion. Chanel Rion of OAN is reporting.
Rion said:
"FUC United founder Joe Oltmann had infiltrated Antifa to uncover journalists who were active members of the Antifa group attacking his company in Colorado."


Joe Oltmann told Chanel Rion he was in an Antifa conference call and heard Dominion VP & Security Chief Eric Coomer say:

"Don’t worry about the election, Trump’s not gonna win. I made F***ing sure of that!"


In one of Rion's videos, she is seen with Sidney Powell. It appears Rion is reporting on everything Powell claims she has on Dominion.

On FB, Rion's report digs deep into Dominion's weaknesses and fishy odor. She also has Joe Oltmann on video, telling about Eric Coomer in the Antifa conference call. Oltmann copied 80 of Coomer's social media pages After Coomer realized he was being exposed, his online presence vanished, including on Dominion's site. Coomer "became a ghost"

Search for Chanel Rion on “Dominion-izing the Vote

OAN's youtube page only has a 30 second tease of Rion's report.
I saw Rion's report on FB. That video disappeared.
Then I found another:
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=957953748026834
 
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