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Cont: 2020 Presidential Election part 3

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Stacyhs said:
The fact that Donald would know his sister's name isn't Betty would support that idea. But then again, Donald is crazy so....
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Last I checked, one of his sisters was Elizabeth Trump. Betty is a common shortening for Elizabeth, so... the name criticism is probably unfounded, to put it nicely. There are other things that can be poked at there, but, in short, I'd put this one in the "doesn't matter but distracts from more important things" category.

pgwenthold said:
I like how they are calling Kemp a RINO.

I mean, this is the guy who used his role as Secretary of State to suppress the votes of black people in order to get himself elected governor.

You can't get much more Republican than that.
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The list of Kemp's voting related antics is notably darker than that, regardless.

Meadmaker said:
We are truly through the looking glass at this point. I think our societal problems go deeper than Trump himself.
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FWIW, quite a few of us have been saying that since Trump became President and similar things about how deep the problems go before then, just without Trump as the focus. Trump's Presidency has simply given lots more supporting evidence to work with.

Meadmaker said:
We have a sitting congressman who is perfectly disenfranchising his entire state in order to have a shot at getting his guy declared king president.
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In a frivolous lawsuit that they fairly certainly believe has no chance of success at all. Red Meat for Trump's base, in other words, like all those doomed votes against the ACA. That it is being treated as red meat for Trump's base is a bit horrific, sure, but it's arguably not even an escalation from the current Republican normal. Of course, I still regard that storming of that closed door session related to impeachment with absurdly false basis to be a felony offense (or multiple for many of them if one includes the rest of what they did) for every single one of those Republican congressmen - including the one supposedly representing where I live. When Republican congressmen, in bulk, decide that it's okay to commit felonies for Trump as nothing more than a show of loyalty as they seek to defend a man they know committed serious crimes, there's really not much room left to defend them or the state of their party. That such was pretty much just a story for a moment, soon forgotten and never given proper weight is absurd. That I had even seen it downplayed in the MSM as a both sides issue with a comparison to a single Democratic Party member who simply stood outside a closed door session in protest, breaking no laws or the underlying principles in letter or spirit, was and is pretty much mind-bogglingly dishonest and enabling.
 
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Meadmaker said:
I honestly see some of these things that Trump writes, and truly wonder what's in his head. Lying, or crazy? That's a serious question for me. Even if he believes that there was voter fraud, which would not be a completely ridiculous allegation on its face, there's no way he could possibly believe it was a landslide. Well, there's one possible way. He could be insane.
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I think you have to assume that Trump is simply talking ******** (BS). This has been brought up a few times, but the idea is that BS is not simply lying, because a liar is concerned about the truth if only to conceal it. Trump is utterly indifferent to the truth. His BS is only in the service of what sounds good to him and what sounds good (in his mind) about him. It's the idea that constantly, vociferously, repetitively talking himself up pushes away all doubts or inconvenient facts.

He's probably similar to L.Ron Hubbard. I think some people wonder if he believed his own ********. Maybe at first he knew he was lying and it was all a clever ruse to make money, but it seems (from what I understand) that he eventually started to believe his own ********.

I think Trump is a ********ter in a similar vein to that of L Ron Hubbard, and his die-hard followers are basically a cult.
 
Dinesh D'Souza tweets

Trump playing golf in the midst of this crisis is the ultimate expression of confidence. The Left would love to see him holed up in a conference room, consumed with frustration and biting his finger nails. POTUS, by contrast, is playing it cool #Election2020results
 
angrysoba said:
I think you have to assume that Trump is simply talking ******** (BS). This has been brought up a few times, but the idea is that BS is not simply lying, because a liar is concerned about the truth if only to conceal it. Trump is utterly indifferent to the truth. His BS is only in the service of what sounds good to him and what sounds good (in his mind) about him. It's the idea that constantly, vociferously, repetitively talking himself up pushes away all doubts or inconvenient facts.

He's probably similar to L.Ron Hubbard. I think some people wonder if he believed his own ********. Maybe at first he knew he was lying and it was all a clever ruse to make money, but it seems (from what I understand) that he eventually started to believe his own ********.
I think Trump is a ********ter in a similar vein to that of L Ron Hubbard, and his die-hard followers are basically a cult.
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According to his niece, Mary, he does become delusional and begin to believe his own lies:

I pressed her on this point. Does he lie (so much!) as a means to get what he wants and knows this is what he is doing—or is he delusional? “It’s a combination,” she said. “Is it just delusion or is it a tactic? I think it might start out as a tactic but it ends up being a delusion because his need to perpetuate a narrative about himself—a very specific narrative about himself as the winner, as always being right—is decades old. It’s a defense mechanism to protect him against the reality of who he really is…If he had any insight into that, I don’t know that he could bear it.”
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Captain_Swoop said:
Dinesh D'Souza tweets

Trump playing golf in the midst of this crisis is the ultimate expression of confidence. The Left would love to see him holed up in a conference room, consumed with frustration and biting his finger nails. POTUS, by contrast, is playing it cool #Election2020results
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Wow. The ultimate in whitewashing. Can you imagine if a Dem president were golfing in this situation?
 
acbytesla said:
Case dismissed.

Way too many precedents in law that would reject this including 150 years of elections where mail in ballots have been accepted.
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The complaint is that it is in violation of the Pennsylvania constitution, not the U.S. constitution. The argument is that the Pennsylvania constitution requires that voting be done in person except for certain specific circumstances outlined in the constitution where absentee voting is permitted.

A big problem here is that the constitution itself does not actually say that. It grants the legislature the authority to determine how elections are done. The constitution does specifically require that the legislature establish provisions to allow for absentee voting for some circumstances.

The first assertion is that the constitution requires in person voting because that is the way Pennsylvania courts have traditionally ruled. Unfortunately, the complaint does not cite any case law to support that assertion, making it rather difficult to evaluate the validity of the claim.

The second assertion is that the legislature previously obtained constitutional amendments before passing laws establishing and expanding absentee voting. Before the law was passed last year to allow no-excuse mail-in voting, there was a bill to put an amendment to the constitution on the ballot to require mail-in voting. That is has to be passed by a second legislative session next year and can then go on the November 2021 election ballot.

The assertion is that this demonstrates that the legislature had acknowledged that a constitutional amendment was required to allow no-excuse mail-in voting. But that appears to be false. It appears that the process used for absentee ballots and the proposed amendment for mail-in ballots was simply to make those forms of mailing be required, not because an amendment is a prerequisite to passing such laws.

And, of course, there is an issue with the timing of this filing. They had more than a year to object to the mail-in voting law prior to the election but chose not to do so until after the results of the election were known. Federal law requires states to conduct elections according to the laws in place on election days precisely for this reason.

If you want to meet the deadline for the guideline of filing a motion upholding the decision of the provisions that were written intently by the general assembly as indisputably constitutionally forbidden in the court of Pennsylvania…YOU’RE TOO LATE…because it juuuuuuuust passssssssed byyyyyyyy!
 
Stacyhs said:
Wow. The ultimate in whitewashing. Can you imagine if a Dem president were golfing in this situation?
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There once was a conservative apologist on this board who would just about rend his shirt and dive for the fainting couch every time Obama went golfing, and often decried it as the most unpresidential th8ng evar. Especially if there was some minor event that FOX was blowing up into a disaster.

Funny he dropped out right around the Trump started his presidency and it quickly became obvious that Golfing was happening almost weekly.
 
Rumor has it that Trump is planning on starring in a new TV series starting in Feburary titled:


The Amazing Racist
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Dinesh D'Souza tweets

Trump playing golf in the midst of this crisis is the ultimate expression of confidence. The Left would love to see him holed up in a conference room, consumed with frustration and biting his finger nails. POTUS, by contrast, is playing it cool #Election2020results
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:dl:
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
The complaint is that it is in violation of the Pennsylvania constitution, not the U.S. constitution. The argument is that the Pennsylvania constitution requires that voting be done in person except for certain specific circumstances outlined in the constitution where absentee voting is permitted.

A big problem here is that the constitution itself does not actually say that. It grants the legislature the authority to determine how elections are done. The constitution does specifically require that the legislature establish provisions to allow for absentee voting for some circumstances.

The first assertion is that the constitution requires in person voting because that is the way Pennsylvania courts have traditionally ruled. Unfortunately, the complaint does not cite any case law to support that assertion, making it rather difficult to evaluate the validity of the claim.

The second assertion is that the legislature previously obtained constitutional amendments before passing laws establishing and expanding absentee voting. Before the law was passed last year to allow no-excuse mail-in voting, there was a bill to put an amendment to the constitution on the ballot to require mail-in voting. That is has to be passed by a second legislative session next year and can then go on the November 2021 election ballot.

The assertion is that this demonstrates that the legislature had acknowledged that a constitutional amendment was required to allow no-excuse mail-in voting. But that appears to be false. It appears that the process used for absentee ballots and the proposed amendment for mail-in ballots was simply to make those forms of mailing be required, not because an amendment is a prerequisite to passing such laws.

And, of course, there is an issue with the timing of this filing. They had more than a year to object to the mail-in voting law prior to the election but chose not to do so until after the results of the election were known. Federal law requires states to conduct elections according to the laws in place on election days precisely for this reason.

If you want to meet the deadline for the guideline of filing a motion upholding the decision of the provisions that were written intently by the general assembly as indisputably constitutionally forbidden in the court of Pennsylvania…YOU’RE TOO LATE…because it juuuuuuuust passssssssed byyyyyyyy!
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Thanks, of course they are arguing that it would be a violation of their state Constitution not the US Constitution. Still, their post hoc remedy would clearly be in violation of the ex post facto clause of the United States Constitution. Yeah it's too late.
 
acbytesla said:
Thanks, of course they are arguing that it would be a violation of their state Constitution not the US Constitution. Still, their post hoc remedy would clearly be in violation of the ex post facto clause of the United States Constitution. Yeah it's too late.
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My hope is that this is not only dismissed, but the judge gives these clowns a full dressing-down of their “change the rules after we played the game” antics.
 
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