Trump's Coup d'état.

[Skeptic Ginger]

You have been saying this for the last two weeks.

My how times flies.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Because that worked so well on Lindsey Graham, right?

Hypocrisy is not a rule they are playing by.

It didn't stop him voting for Barrett. Doesn't mean it didn't turn some voters off. Right now I'd love to see a Lincoln Project like ad for the 2 Senate seats in Georgia: Vote for 2 Senators that aren't in the cult.

It also might make for some ads in 2022.

Did it disgust you or not?

 

[JoeMorgue]

The Overton Window is another thing broken in a post-fact world.

There is no Overtone Window for facts.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

You can do all the reports and commissions you want, but if there is no deterrent why should the next Trump not do the same? People need to know that there are consequences if you act as Trump and his cronies have done.

Arguably, Trump could get away with so much crime, because so many people where unsure what and what not was allowed for a President to do.

It will be much easier to get a quick Court ruling if you can bring a Commission Report showing that Trump did something similar that was deemed to be unacceptable.

 

[Lurch]

And I like how you pretend that the vague notion of 'risk' is a hard line.



Agreed, absolutely. And? Oh, wait...you think this is johnny karate's personal Echo Chamber? Bad news, bud; it's a discussion thread. Some discussion...and yes, even argument...might offend your delicate sensibilities. I've heard it said that you find comfort with those you agree with, and growth with those whom you don't. You've made it clear what you value.



As you said, these are dark times, and yes, I'll take a mean-spirited laugh at watching the soon-to-be-ex-POTUS humiliate himself on the International stage, considering his contribution to said darkness. But if you think I am lecturing, you're a damned fool. Many here are still tilting at the Trump windmill.

I'm saying we should relish this. Shout it loud and proud, and make sure every MAGA hat wearer sees, in high resolution, the kind of sniveling cowardly Loser they have been cheerleading for four long years. Sear it in the mind of every pick 'em up driver who is hastily rolling up their Trump flag. They backed a weakling, a petty tyrant, and they were entirely in the wrong Make sure they remember this.

Or, you know, keep entertaining this exciting fantasy about him having the power to establish a ******* coup.

I'll cop to being a smug jerk-off, tho. And as one to another, I hope you enjoy your nail-biting. He's just so powerful! I'll be over here watching him wipe his last shreds of dignity away like a cheap spray tan.

Personally I'm with you on rubbing the salt into the wounds of the jag-offs who cultishly cleave to drumpf. Whether this is a wise course for healing is up for argument, of course.

But my principal concern is the way the ground is being prepared by incompetrump for a future competrump.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

So you are finally coming to agree with him that there is a coup attempt and that it is a serious matter.

Looks like you may yet earn your light side badge.

I did visit the Darkside briefly last night. There are too many Senators who aren't speaking up.

But as a point of clarification, if anyone thinks I was saying there are no problems here arising from Trump's propaganda, they weren't reading my posts very carefully. For example I mentioned certain cultists blowing up federal buildings.

Given the militia group operating in MI, I'd say we are in for some serious right-wing terrorism.

But... Hayes made a point of calling Trump a loser who would not be in office after Jan 19th. That part of the plan was never going to happen.

As for "2 weeks" He's already making noise he knows his path to reelection is non-existent. And there is a lot of noise to get going on Biden's transition.

Trump has moved from denial to revenge, Trump's stages of grief differ from normal people. Everyone else is always responsible for his failures, never him.
Trump told ally he's trying to get back at Democrats for questioning legitimacy of his own election

President Donald Trump told an ally that he knows he lost, but that he is delaying the transition process and is aggressively trying to sow doubt about the election results in order to get back at Democrats for questioning the legitimacy of his own election in 2016, especially with the Russia investigation, a source familiar with the President's thinking told CNN on Thursday.

The President's refusal to concede, as CNN has previously reported, stems in part from his perceived grievance that Hillary Clinton and former President Barack Obama undermined his own presidency by saying Russia interfered in the 2016 election and could have impacted the outcome, people around him have said.

 

[Lurch]

Its not. Or rather, no more than at any other time.

Put yourself in their position. You know Trump lost (and yes, they all know. Trump is uniquely stupid on this point). You know that capriciously overturning election results is Treason with a capital T. You also know you have to maintain some semblance of solidarity with your party if you want a political future. You know damn right well the military is sworn to protect the Constitution above blindly following orders, and will string you personally up by your balls if you get treasonous. What do you do?

IMO, you soft-pedal going along with the crazy for a couple months, without doing anything that would put you on Team Capital Offense. And that is precisely what we are seeing.

You have an inflated notion of what the military's role is in politics. They'll not unilaterally get involved or take any action, if the oaths taken by its members is adhered to.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

That’s the problem, they weren’t designed to control someone like him, they were designed to control people with some integrity, some “honour” and a sense of personal responsibility. Trump has none of those attributes.

Mind you I can see after 21st January that there will suddenly be a huge ruckus about controlling the president and reducing his powers... Oh and executive orders will again be tyrannical!

And yet they are working this time. He's knows he can't stay.

But had the election been closer the checks and balances might very well have failed.

OTOH, our checks and balances don't work at all when the Senate has a scummy leader like McConnell. He's done as much damage as Trump, using Trump as his means to control all 3 branches.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I find it incredibly disturbing that the future of American democracy is even now in the hands of a couple hundred (GOP) state legislators and even fewer individuals on county-level election boards.

I find it incredibly disturbing that the future of American democracy was and is in the hands of McConnell starting with his refusal to put Merrick's confirmation on the calendar.

Absolute control of the Senate should not be in the hands of the Majority Leader. That is a big flaw in the system.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Arguably both are needed. Trump clearly needs to be swatted back to insignificance, but it can't seem vindictive or arbitrary, because that'd fuel retaliation. Well, there may be no way to avoid that anyway.

He already views his election loss as vindictive.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

There is NO POINT WHATSOEVER to not act decisively against Trump where the law allows to: the Biden Cabinet could can carry him on a palanquin, and he would complain that they deliberately aren't moving fast enough.

 

[alfaniner]

He already views his election loss as vindictive.

Gehhh... He views his 2016 win as vindictive. Because he was robbed because he didn't win by more. How dare any Democrats vote against him for President?

 

[eerok]

There is NO POINT WHATSOEVER to not act decisively against Trump where the law allows to: the Biden Cabinet could can carry him on a palanquin, and he would complain that they deliberately aren't moving fast enough.

I absolutely think Trump 2024 should amount to nothing more than a milestone in his prison sentence.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Arguably, Trump could get away with so much crime, because so many people where unsure what and what not was allowed for a President to do.

It will be much easier to get a quick Court ruling if you can bring a Commission Report showing that Trump did something similar that was deemed to be unacceptable.

Biden said he wants to use a bipartisan commission to decide what to do about Trump. I'm not sure he called it a commission.

Another short MSNBC video: Neal Katyal: All of Trump’s criminal immunity expires in about 60 days

Former U.S. acting solicitor general Neal Katyal explains the charges President Trump might face after he leaves office and the reason why his current legal efforts are incriminating him even more

 

[Thermal]

Personally I'm with you on rubbing the salt into the wounds of the jag-offs who cultishly cleave to drumpf. Whether this is a wise course for healing is up for argument, of course.

But my principal concern is the way the ground is being prepared by incompetrump for a future competrump.

Yes, the new front guy worries me, too. Trump will be tossed off like soiled underwear as soon as they find a guy with the same agenda, but more eloquent and smarter. The new guy will still need that gaping hole where his soul should be.

Now that I think of it, I wonder if a female furher would be palatable to the rabble?

You have an inflated notion of what the military's role is in politics. They'll not unilaterally get involved or take any action, if the oaths taken by its members is adhered to.

I meant that as a cut to the chase regarding his enforcing a theoretical coup. His trump card would need to be commanding the armed forces. He wouldn't.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Gehhh... He views his 2016 win as vindictive. Because he was robbed because he didn't win by more. How dare any Democrats vote against him for President?

Pettitrump has a timeless pit he pulls continual vengeance out of. His pathology is severe.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

Now that I think of it, I wonder if a female furher would be palatable to the rabble?

Perhaps - but only if she's hot.

It's a well-known fact that woman are attracted to rapey men, which is why more of them voted for Trump than Hillary. To counter that the GOP needs someone who will attract more white males (the demographic that was most turned off by Trump). She should also be Black, Latino or Asian, since those are the demographics that are leaning more conservative these days (and their racism make them less likely to support outsiders). I would totally vote for an Asian hottie!

 

[Thermal]

Perhaps - but only if she's hot.

It's a well-known fact that woman are attracted to rapey men, which is why more of them voted for Trump than Hillary. To counter that the GOP needs someone who will attract more white males (the demographic that was most turned off by Trump). She should also be Black, Latino or Asian, since those are the demographics that are leaning more conservative these days (and their racism make them less likely to support outsiders). I would totally vote for an Asian hottie!

I'd go whole hog for a hot Latina. That could work, really. Kind of an alt-right AOC to bring that stereotypical feistyness against the old white men's club. As long as she knew her place, of course. If they could get her barefoot and pregnant on the campaign trail, she'd be unstoppable.

 

[alfaniner]

I absolutely think Trump 2024 should amount to nothing more than a milestone in his prison sentence.

I think 20-24 to Life sounds just about right.

 

[crescent]

Perhaps - but only if she's hot.

It's a well-known fact that woman are attracted to rapey men, which is why more of them voted for Trump than Hillary. To counter that the GOP needs someone who will attract more white males (the demographic that was most turned off by Trump). She should also be Black, Latino or Asian, since those are the demographics that are leaning more conservative these days (and their racism make them less likely to support outsiders). I would totally vote for an Asian hottie!

When Michelle Malkin becomes President, its your fault.