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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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smartcooky said:
That's about right.... half of Trump supporters is about quarter of the electorate... That will be his "base" - his basket of deplorables; the racists, bigots, evangelical nutcases, white nationalists and alt-right and far right loonies.

Disturbing isn't it, that one in four Americans falls into this category.
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I don't think it's this bad. At least outside of US, among my friends, I see many people supporting Trump, because they simply believe what he says. Because why would president lie ? And as for election fraud, they believe viral videos, because why would videos on internet lie ?
Tons of people are simply gullible.
 
Meadmaker said:
I think there will be very close to zero organized violence, as in violent rallies or rioting.

I wouldn't bet against isolated examples of domestic terrorism.
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Just wait until Trump starts to call for violence when all the litigation fails.
 
Olmstead said:
Just wait until Trump starts to call for violence when all the litigation fails.
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Proud Boys on Parler are calling for a Michigan county official who certified the election results to be doxxed. Replies contain explicit death threats against him and his family.

https://twitter.com/econbrkfst/status/1329125482994884609

Replies to the Proud Boys' parley on "Ned": "Ned needs to be killed before he murders an American with an immigrant from Morocco."

"Someone should burn his house down."

"I think a few MAGA PATRIOTS should pay this repugnant radical piece of **** a visit!"

This is ongoing.
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https://twitter.com/econbrkfst/status/1329125482994884609
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Proud Boys on Parler are calling for a Michigan county worker who certified the election results to be doxxed. Replies contain explicit death threats against him and his family.

https://twitter.com/econbrkfst/status/1329125482994884609



https://twitter.com/econbrkfst/status/1329125482994884609
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Exactly. What happens when Trump decides to light that fuse? I don't even know. How much can he actually get away with before the law would step in?

... nothing you can do, folks. Although the second amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know ...
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Proud Boys on Parler are calling for a Michigan county official who certified the election results to be doxxed. Replies contain explicit death threats against him and his family.

https://twitter.com/econbrkfst/status/1329125482994884609



https://twitter.com/econbrkfst/status/1329125482994884609
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This is an overt, public death threat against a specific individual.

Can someone remind me again about how the "Proud Boys" are just a few harmless lads being lads.
 
johnny karate said:
I think focusing strictly on actual or successful violence fails to address the bigger picture.

Has any violence occurred at the ballot counting centers? Not that I am aware.

But I feel like that might be small consolation to the election officials who have had their lives threatened and the ballot counters who have throngs of armed conspiracy theorists screaming at them.
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Totally fair point, but I was expecting literally worse than that.
 
Dr.Sid said:
Can't you just wait till he actually does it ? Demonizing is not skeptical.
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I don't think he'll make an unambiguous call for violence, but I think he'll make some ambiguous statements that may be read as such a call. (I mean reasonably read as such a call. I don't mean like his Twitter hypothetical that "Biden's shot".)

His "Stand back and stand by" comment set the stage. I can't be certain his choice of words is intentional, because he is inarticulate, but it was certainly taken so by the Proud Boys. That's dangerous.
 
Dr.Sid said:
Can't you just wait till he actually does it ? Demonizing is not skeptical.
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Exactly it is like blaming the death of Tomas Becket on Henry II. All he said was a harmless question of "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?". Clearly the whole attack and stabbing were entirely unconnected to such harmless questions.
 
smartcooky said:
This is an overt, public death threat against a specific individual.

Can someone remind me again about how the "Proud Boys" are just a few harmless lads being lads.
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Yeah but Antifa broke some windows so both sides are basically the same...
 
phiwum said:
Totally fair point, but I was expecting literally worse than that.
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Buckle up.

Right now, these people are holding onto the delusion that this might still go their way.

When Biden is sworn in and Trump leaves (or is potentially escorted from) the White House, I seriously doubt that all of his supporters will just accept it.
 
Olmstead said:
Just wait until Trump starts to call for violence when all the litigation fails.
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I..and my M1 Carbine..are ready for that..if the Trumpers want to start violence, then the Anti Trumpers have every right to defend themselves.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
Yeah but Antifa broke some windows so both sides are basically the same...
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This. I think Antifa's who break the law should be prosecuted, but at best them have done a few misdemenours, but the Right wingers seem commited to full scale felonies.
 
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