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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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pgwenthold said:
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1329024973055385600


Seriously, who could have ever guessed that half of Trump supporters are deplorable....
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If I'm not mistaken, that's a considerable drop and hence a good sign. It seems that failures in the courts may have dissuaded some from the view that the election was stolen. A larger portion of Trump supporters are amenable to evidence than I suspected.

However, the question is whether months hence, with a steady drumbeat of accusations of fraud and unfair judges, these numbers will creep back up. I suspect that by 2024, a large majority of the GOP will look back on 2020 as a grave injustice.

I also suspect that a very small minority will attempt violence in the interim.
 
smartcooky said:
Biden should immediately hire him as his Cybersecrity advisor, and put him right back in his job on January 20, 2021. In fact, he should do that with all Trumps revenge firings.
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I agree about Krebs. He had a reputation for being nonpartisan, diligent, and competent. No wonder Trump didn't like him. Biden should scoop him up.
 
Dave Rogers said:
Yes, it's possible Trump sincerely believes what he's saying. Which, of course, makes him all the more dangerous, because he could end up destroying democracy in the US because he's so passionately committed to saving it. But on the whole I suspect he's a high functioning psychopath who simply doesn't care how much harm he does in the interest of not ever being seen to be less than the best in the history of the world at everything.

Dave
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Probably.
 
phiwum said:
If I'm not mistaken, that's a considerable drop and hence a good sign. It seems that failures in the courts may have dissuaded some from the view that the election was stolen. A larger portion of Trump supporters are amenable to evidence than I suspected.

However, the question is whether months hence, with a steady drumbeat of accusations of fraud and unfair judges, these numbers will creep back up. I suspect that by 2024, a large majority of the GOP will look back on 2020 as a grave injustice. I also suspect that a very small minority will attempt violence in the interim.
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And I suspect the majority of that group won't actually believe it, they just have this need to demonize Democrats.
 
phiwum said:
I also suspect that a very small minority will attempt violence in the interim.
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The rest will just threaten violence and use intimidation tactics, like they’ve already been doing.

I guess it’s up to the rest of us to figure out which ones really mean it.
 
slyjoe said:
Apparently, Trump has filed for a recount in Wisconsin.

For two counties.

For $3 Million.

And in the most surprising development, the campaign actually paid.

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-u...aign-to-file-for-partial-recount-in-wisconsin
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And in a not-so-surprising development, the two counties are the ones that have the most black people in Wisconsin.

Odd they didn't call for a recount in Door county, which actually flipped this election. Then again, that's a bunch of white people...
 
johnny karate said:
The rest will just threaten violence and use intimidation tactics, like they’ve already been doing.

I guess it’s up to the rest of us to figure out which ones really mean it.
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Honestly, so far there has been much less violence than I anticipated. I reckon that Trump's tactics have had an effect of dampening violence. So long as he promises there is a legal way to flip the states, there is less call to fight.

And I must admit that perhaps I've overestimated the willingness of his supporters to resort to violence, though we shall see. I'd be shocked if we don't see sporadic acts of violence by small groups at the least.

But I don't know nothin' so I might just be shocked.
 
slyjoe said:
Apparently, Trump has filed for a recount in Wisconsin.

For two counties.

For $3 Million.

And in the most surprising development, the campaign actually paid.

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-u...aign-to-file-for-partial-recount-in-wisconsin
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If I recall correctly, state law requires payment up front. There's no recount without payment received. It would have been around 8 million for the whole state, and the campaign is saving a little cash because all of the votes that are from black people claimed to be fraudulent are from these 2 counties.
 
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phiwum said:
Honestly, so far there has been much less violence than I anticipated. I reckon that Trump's tactics have had an effect of dampening violence. So long as he promises there is a legal way to flip the states, there is less call to fight.

And I must admit that perhaps I've overestimated the willingness of his supporters to resort to violence, though we shall see. I'd be shocked if we don't see sporadic acts of violence by small groups at the least.

But I don't know nothin' so I might just be shocked.
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I think focusing strictly on actual or successful violence fails to address the bigger picture.

Has any violence occurred at the ballot counting centers? Not that I am aware.

But I feel like that might be small consolation to the election officials who have had their lives threatened and the ballot counters who have throngs of armed conspiracy theorists screaming at them.
 
phiwum said:
Honestly, so far there has been much less violence than I anticipated. I reckon that Trump's tactics have had an effect of dampening violence. So long as he promises there is a legal way to flip the states, there is less call to fight.

And I must admit that perhaps I've overestimated the willingness of his supporters to resort to violence, though we shall see. I'd be shocked if we don't see sporadic acts of violence by small groups at the least.

But I don't know nothin' so I might just be shocked.
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I think there will be very close to zero organized violence, as in violent rallies or rioting.

I wouldn't bet against isolated examples of domestic terrorism.
 
johnny karate said:
I think focusing strictly on actual or successful violence fails to address the bigger picture.

Has any violence occurred at the ballot counting centers? Not that I am aware.

But I feel like that might be small consolation to the election officials who have had their lives threatened and the ballot counters who have throngs of armed conspiracy theorists screaming at them.
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I dunno, are we using the same definition of "violence" as used during the BLM protests over the summer (sitting 20m away taking photos through a telephoto lens while wearing clearly labeled "PRESS" vests was violent enough to warrant being shot in the head with "less lethal" rounds)?

Or, are we using the definition of "violence" as used when watching video of "fine people" accelerating their cars into crowds of BLM protesters?
 
phiwum said:
If I'm not mistaken, that's a considerable drop and hence a good sign. It seems that failures in the courts may have dissuaded some from the view that the election was stolen. A larger portion of Trump supporters are amenable to evidence than I suspected.
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That's about right.... half of Trump supporters is about quarter of the electorate... That will be his "base" - his basket of deplorables; the racists, bigots, evangelical nutcases, white nationalists and alt-right and far right loonies.

Disturbing isn't it, that one in four Americans falls into this category.
 
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