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Trump's Coup d'état.

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uke2se said:
It should be noted that for the MAGA morons, the fact that the Wayne County Board of Canvassers relented is proof of conspiracy 'cause they were doxed and threatened to change their votes. Thus, that incident will be taken as evidence of the Democrats stealing the election by roughly half the voter base.

The reason for that many people being so detached from reality is the coup Trump and his cronies are attempting. They effectively control the information received by half the voter base.
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Sure. When I wrote that we all know it's a con I did not mean to imply universality. I meant "all" as referring to thread participants (though it applies equally well to Republican politicians, save for the rare QAnon moron, who are perfectly fine with being complicit in the con).
 
d4m10n said:
Precisely, and this is why each small fire must be thoroughly doused and the individual pyromaniacs held to account.
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Particularly in cases like this one, where it's perfectly obvious what's happening as well as what will happen should things continue.

uke2se said:
It should be noted that for the MAGA morons, the fact that the Wayne County Board of Canvassers relented is proof of conspiracy 'cause they were doxed and threatened to change their votes. Thus, that incident will be taken as evidence of the Democrats stealing the election by roughly half the voter base.

The reason for that many people being so detached from reality is the coup Trump and his cronies are attempting. They effectively control the information received by half the voter base.
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The other big complaint is "the dems made it about race!" which, when you're outright stating that you want to block the majority-black city over the suburbs, even though the irregularities you're whining about were more likely in several majority-white suburbs, you've obviously "made it about race" yourself, and it's hardly a suprise when the entire public begins pointing that out while snarling and giving you side-eye.

(And as much as many people want to point to Biden's potential loss, I have to wonder what effect, if any, this could have on state and local elections, which many people yet again wish to ignore)
 
This article captures much of how I am thinking about this:
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/trump-coup-election-michigan/

From the article said:
Three things remain true in the two weeks since the election: 1. Trump and his campaign persist in trying to engineer a coup. 2. This coup has excited support from grassroots Republican activists all over America. 3. This coup is very badly run and will almost certainly fail. 4. Even as it fails, the coup will do lasting damage to American democracy and could set a precedence for future aspiring autocrats.
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The Trump campaign is trying to hack the election results by using the partisan loyalty of local Republicans, who are an essential part of the machinery of elections. These local officials are being urged to muddy the water of clear vote counts. As Politico writer Tim Alberta notes, “This system of certifying has always been ripe for exploitation by partisan hacks. Now the stars have aligned — a demagogue president, a party bereft of integrity, and an activist base that believes 244 years of democratic norms are expendable if it means 4 more years of power.” Republican donor Dan Eberhart came to the same conclusion, telling CNN that, “Trump has figured out how to weaponize the machinery of government post-election. This is something that happens in a banana republic, not George Washington’s republic.”
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So far, neither the Republicans nor the Democrats have figured out how to neutralize Trump’s use of the coup to shore up his own power. As a simple coup attempt, Trump’s gambit is almost sure to fail. One reason the coup will fail is that the election results aren’t really close in the swing states, where Biden’s lead is robust. But in the future if there are closer elections, Trump’s coup will be the model for a successful coup.
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As he writes on Twitter:
... Trump's clownish authoritarianism makes it hard to calibrate a response: to take Trump's schemes as likely to succeed is to fall into hysteria. To dismiss them as mere distraction is to fall into complacency. Both responses wrong.
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Skeptic Ginger said:
The Hill: Republicans start turning the page on Trump era

Michigan county reverses course, votes unanimously to certify election results

It's over. It's time to start talking about Trump leaving. We need to stop repeating the fear mongering Trump is trying to make people believe. He's a con man. He's a loser. He's flailing.
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The fact that it took them this long suggests they were weighing the options. The fact that they waited this long to *start* saying these things adds weight to the "it's a possibility" argument. If it wasn't a possibility there would be no need for them to have thought about it for this long.

Another possible coup option for Trump is that anyone who has the legal authority to forcibly remove him from power works either directly or indirectly for Chad Wolf. Even a supreme court ruling would require someone to enforce it, and that someone would ultimately be someone who reports to Wolf. Keep in mind this is the sleazebag who authorized putting children in cages, and that the people ultimately doing that work followed those order.

I rate this possibility as very low, but it should be zero and the fact that it isn't is worth discussing.
 
lomiller said:
The fact that it took them this long suggests they were weighing the options. The fact that they waited this long to *start* saying these things adds weight to the "it's a possibility" argument. If it wasn't a possibility there would be no need for them to have thought about it for this long.

Another possible coup option for Trump is that anyone who has the legal authority to forcibly remove him from power works either directly or indirectly for Chad Wolf. Even a supreme court ruling would require someone to enforce it, and that someone would ultimately be someone who reports to Wolf. Keep in mind this is the sleazebag who authorized putting children in cages, and that the people ultimately doing that work followed those order.

I rate this possibility as very low, but it should be zero and the fact that it isn't is worth discussing.
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I thought a court said Wolf was appointed illegaly?
 
slyjoe said:
I thought a court said Wolf was appointed illegaly?
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He ignored them and stayed in the role anyway. Courts have subsequently ruled that appointments he made in that time lack legal authority. So far as I know, though, all those people are still filling those roles whether the courts consider it legal or not.

Would he do the same and just ignore a court ruling that Trump isn't the president? I don't think so because it carries much bigger consequences if his department doesn't follow his orders, but the fact that it's possible when it should be unthinkable is worth discussing.
 
Proud Boys on parler are calling for one of county officials in Michigan responsible for certifying the results to be doxxed and harassed. Multiple threats of violence in the replies.

Replies to the Proud Boys' parley on "Ned": "Ned needs to be killed before he murders an American with an immigrant from Morocco."

"Someone should burn his house down."

"I think a few MAGA PATRIOTS should pay this repugnant radical piece of **** a visit!"

This is ongoing.
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https://twitter.com/econbrkfst/status/1329125482994884609
 
lomiller said:
The fact that it took them this long suggests they were weighing the options. The fact that they waited this long to *start* saying these things adds weight to the "it's a possibility" argument. If it wasn't a possibility there would be no need for them to have thought about it for this long.

Another possible coup option for Trump is that anyone who has the legal authority to forcibly remove him from power works either directly or indirectly for Chad Wolf. Even a supreme court ruling would require someone to enforce it, and that someone would ultimately be someone who reports to Wolf. Keep in mind this is the sleazebag who authorized putting children in cages, and that the people ultimately doing that work followed those order.

I rate this possibility as very low, but it should be zero and the fact that it isn't is worth discussing.
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Chad Wolf isn't a problem. He hasn't been legally appointed to acting DHS Secretary so he doesn't have any powers.

A law and order administration like this one surely wouldn't ignore a ruling like that. So, totally, no problems there!

ETA: Ninja'ed and answered above. I think Iomiller is likely right. Wolf's questionable status makes a problematic fact for Trump and so less likely he'll pursue this option, but not beyond the realm of plausibility.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Proud Boys on parler are calling for one of county officials in Michigan responsible for certifying the results to be doxxed and harassed. Multiple threats of violence in the replies.



https://twitter.com/econbrkfst/status/1329125482994884609
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Time for the feds to arrest some CHUDS.

ETA: I'd say these qualify as terroristic threats, considering they are attacking the democratic process. Nevertheless, authorities could probably go after Parler as a platform as well unless they immediately ban these pieces of filth.
 
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The Nazi Party was laughed off by the German public after the Beer Hall Putsch as well. If Biden's rhetoric and past history are any kind of predictors, it is, unfortunately, very unlikely that he will mount an effective response of his own volition. Americans are dying as we speak from Trumpist maladministration of the Covid-19 response. It is critical to both the lives of our citizens and the future of our nation that Trumpist partisans and collaborators be held accountable for their misdeeds.
 
uke2se said:
Time for the feds to arrest some CHUDS.

ETA: I'd say these qualify as terroristic threats, considering they are attacking the democratic process. Nevertheless, authorities could probably go after Parler as a platform as well unless they immediately ban these pieces of filth.
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The feds don't have a good record responding to online threats - it's mostly a lot of "Well, buy a gun, hire security if you want, and...um, stay safe out there." We'll see if that changes for low-level government officials, rather than women in gaming and nonwhite people in general.
 
Emily's Cat said:
I'm not saying there's a teapot orbiting Mercury. I'm just saying that it's not impossible.
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lomiller said:
The fact that it took them this long suggests they were weighing the options. The fact that they waited this long to *start* saying these things adds weight to the "it's a possibility" argument. If it wasn't a possibility there would be no need for them to have thought about it for this long.

Another possible coup option for Trump is that anyone who has the legal authority to forcibly remove him from power works either directly or indirectly for Chad Wolf. Even a supreme court ruling would require someone to enforce it, and that someone would ultimately be someone who reports to Wolf. Keep in mind this is the sleazebag who authorized putting children in cages, and that the people ultimately doing that work followed those order.

I rate this possibility as very low, but it should be zero and the fact that it isn't is worth discussing.
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But wait, there's more!

Now they want to take it back!

https://twitter.com/DonovanSlack/status/1329277981492191232
 
angrysoba said:
I am saying he is attempting a coup. I am explicitly saying exactly this.

I said that your position is "Relax, it is only an attempted coup".

I don't think anyone doubts he is incompetent and likely cannot pull this off, but it is an attempted coup.
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Have we not exhausted this exchange yet? :boggled:
 
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