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Trump's Coup d'état.

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The modern Reichstag is exactly what is happening right now.

Hitler burned down the building that represented the seat of power and democracy. Trump, rather than burn down Capitol Hill, has decided to simply attack the democratic process.

Why bother with burning down the physical representation of democracy in America, when you can just destroy democracy itself? As usual the right is using racism and the specter of socialism/communism to fuel this destruction.

It's not terribly clever, but it doesn't have to be. Trump is not terribly smart or clever. A snake is not terribly smart either, but it's the best there is at being a snake.
 
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lomiller said:
Is there a mechanism to rescind these votes? This could just be Republicans wanting to play both sides. They vote one way, but then tell their base they rescinded that vote but the evil liberals counted it anyway.
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We still need to have state wide certification. By the way, the wife of one of the members of the state canvassing board is an alleged witness in one of Trump's lawsuits.
 
lomiller said:
Is there a mechanism to rescind these votes? This could just be Republicans wanting to play both sides. They vote one way, but then tell their base they rescinded that vote but the evil liberals counted it anyway.
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Well, there's this

Republican canvassers ask to 'rescind' their votes certifying Michigan election results [abcnews.go.com]
"There is no legal mechanism for them to rescind their vote," the spokesperson said. "Their job is done and the next step in the process is for the Board of State Canvassers to meet and certify."
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phiwum said:
I reckon that an audit is reasonable and ought to be granted, though I don't know that it should delay the statewide certification.
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No, it's not reasonable at all, since any irregularities found did not exceed those found in the 2016 or 2018 elections, which no one had issues with. This is pure partisan asshattery.
 
erwinl said:
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What you need is leaders, that see the country, the entire country, as something bigger than themselves and that they are in service of it. To all of it and all the citizens in it.
And not just giving lipservice to this ideal, but really believing it.
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I'm rational even if you aren't.
 
Still got those Trumpers playing make-pretend and swinging those sad, bent candy corns around. It'll be kind of funny if they keep LARPing themselves right into getting the attention of the US Armed Forces. It'll be widespread Patriot Prayer as they pray to God to save their seditious asses
 
The important thing for Trump supporters is to Trust The Plan ... at least until 2024.
Do nothing until Trump's Presidency is resurrected after four years in Hell.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The important thing for Trump supporters is to Trust The Plan ... at least until 2024.
Do nothing until Trump's Presidency is resurrected after four years in Hell.
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It seems unimaginable that Trump could even run in 2024, but I've seen the unimaginable come to life in American politics all too often lately.

I hope the smart people get busy and find a vaccine for Trump's toxicity.
 
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eerok said:
It seems unimaginable that Trump could even run in 2024, but I've seen the unimaginable come to life in American politics all too often lately.

I hope the smart people get busy and find a vaccine for Trump's toxicity.
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It's gonna be hard to find a vaccine for a toxicity that some people will go out of their way to dine on. And if it ain't Trump spreading it, there are plenty of others willing to.
 
turingtest said:
It's gonna be hard to find a vaccine for a toxicity that some people will go out of their way to dine on. And if it ain't Trump spreading it, there are plenty of others willing to.
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Yes, there's a war on reason and reality going on, and it's larger than Trump. It's not going to be easy to deal with.

This is what happens when gaslighting becomes a party platform.
 
From https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/11/19/shirkey-chatfield-set-visit-white-house-amid-election-fight/3777657001/

The top two leaders in the Republican-controlled Michigan Legislature are expected to visit the White House Friday, according to a source with knowledge of the plans.

The visits by Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey, R-Clarklake, and House Speaker Lee Chatfield, R-Levering, will come as a legal fight plays out in the battleground state with President Donald Trump attempting to challenge the results of the Nov. 3 election.
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Yeah, that's great optics.

:rolleyes:
 
And by the way, I would consider filing amicus briefs in support of any of the frivolous litigation by Trump a tacit endorsement of the Trump campaign's 'throw the cooked spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks' approach of baseless litigation. Representation from Pennsylvania Senate GOP & GOP representation from Pennsylvania House of Representatives are joined in such a brief.

But somehow our default position should be that state GOP are somehow special & principled, would never encourage or join in on Trump's BS and that if, by some miracle, Trump managed to overturn the results of the election they'd be speaking out against it because they are so very different from national GOP politicians.

But yeah, thinking that perhaps that might be an overly rosy picture of these politicians is exactly the same as proposing orbiting teapots around the inner planets.

Most GOP politicians are currently just fine with the present situation. This is why they are standing by the current situation instead of standing up to it. This is a big problem.
 
d4m10n said:
Here you go:

The basic idea is to vigorously push back whenever someone tries to steal the election, even if they are trying to jam up just one county.

https://www.waynecounty.com/elected/clerk/board-of-canvassers.aspx

https://www.waynecounty.com/elected/commission/contact-us.aspx
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I don't live in that state. No one in the county I live in is doing anything so stupid.

Here are the things I think will help:
1) Quit talking like Trump might do it, instead start talking like he's an incompetent idiot surrounded by more incompetent idiots.
This is from Fast Eddie's link above:
Before proceeding, we should be clear about something: This is not going to happen. At least not this year. Donald Trump’s position is far too weak to support such a scheme. He would need to flip at least three states, his legal team is comically inept, and his gestures toward this drastic step have been too little and too late to sustain the necessary pressure.

But it’s because his effort is so feeble that the compliance of many Republicans is so striking.
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2) Continue the effort to lessen gerrymandering. With the new census this is an opportunity to do that.
It takes a significant effort to reach out to the disenfranchised majorities in the states with the worst gerrymandering. Especially now that the courts are stacked to support GOP legislators.​

3) Get those two Georgia Senate seats in Democratic hands.


There's more but I have to go blow the driveway off before it rains again.
 
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eerok said:
No, it's not reasonable at all, since any irregularities found did not exceed those found in the 2016 or 2018 elections, which no one had issues with. This is pure partisan asshattery.
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As I understand it, the board found the discrepancies troubling in 2018 as well. Figuring out why these discrepancies, if they differ from other parts of the state, are occurring is perfectly reasonable. I don't mean that the election shouldn't be certified because of these discrepancies but that they are a problem that ought to be fixed rather than ignored.

What I say above depends, of course, on whether such discrepancies are normal and expected. From what I understand, there are more districts failing to balance in Wayne County than elsewhere. Seems reasonable to try and understand why.
 
There comes a point in most coups where the coup will either succeed, usually with the help of a great deal of violence, or the leaders end up dead, in exile, or in prison. A crossing of the Rubicon. A point where there is no plausible deniability that a naked, criminal power grab was attempted.

I'm curious what that point might look like here. It seems clear to me that Trump won't be able to steal this election and have the broader public just accept it as a normal course of events. At some point, people will be in the streets either demanding state governments don't enable it, or out in DC to insist that the legislature doesn't play along. Clashes with police and the military in such a scenario seems inevitable.

Then again, I generally hold quite pessimistic views of the courage and decisiveness of the Democratic party, and libs generally. When it becomes clear that Trump is just seizing power, election be damned, will they actually do anything about it or just cling to whatever remnant of power he offers them?
 
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