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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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shuttlt said:
Isn't this 50% approval rating based on the same polls that turn out to be systematically skewed in favour of Biden?
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No. Though you have completely missed the point. The point is that the election result showing a Biden win is well within the expected outcome. There is nothing unusual about the result that indicates potential widespread voter fraud. Now say that Jo Jorgensen, for example, walked away with 30% of the popular vote across the country. There would be pretty good reason to suspect shenanigans and a need to investigate further.
 
Not a big surprise, but Harry Enten (CNN, formerly 538) has crunched some numbers and concludes: "Trump's fraud accusations make no sense"

President Donald Trump continues to carry on with his unfounded charade claiming the election was wide-scale fraud. At the heart of many of his campaign's complaints is that the big cities in the Great Lakes (Rust Belt) battleground states, such as Detroit and Philadelphia, helped to "engineer" a certain outcome.

What Trump and his campaign don't seem to realize is that the cities (Detroit, Philadelphia and Milwaukee) in the three most important Great Lakes battlegrounds (Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin) were not responsible for President-elect Joe Biden's improvement compared with Hillary Clinton.
Biden won in large part because of a dramatic improvement in the suburbs surrounding the major cities in these states.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/17/politics/trump-suburbs-analysis/index.html
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Of course, there must be a reason why the Trump campaign and the fachosphere focus on the big cities with their fraud lies, and not on the suburbs, where Biden actually won MI, WI and PA. But that reason is a true mystery. :rolleyes:
 
I hate to be that person, but Raffensperger claims to have witnesses.

Mr. Raffensperger said that when he was contacted by Mr. Graham Friday, he thought the senator was calling about the state’s two senate races. After an initial conversation, Mr. Graham called back again and brought up the idea of invalidating absentee ballots from counties with higher rates of signature errors, Mr. Raffensperger said, adding that he had staffers with him on that call.

Mr. Raffensperger and his staffers agreed not to act on any of Mr. Graham’s suggestions, he said. “We have laws in place,” he said.

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/w1UKQ1j1coZcJflTu6kf
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ETA: a witness has been named:
It turns out there was a *witness* to the @LindseyGrahamSC /
@GaSecofState call: GA official Gabe Sterling.

He says he can see how the 2 interpreted the call differently, but confirms it did go down path of whether whole counties w/high sig rejection rates could be thrown out

https://twitter.com/JoshNBCNews/status/1328744809008427010
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dirtywick said:
I have a feeling a lot of right wingers in Europe are going to see how well it worked here and bring it over
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Rupert Murdoch was in the UK before he was in the US. The endless comedy of Brexit shows us that the political right in the UK is just as deranged as the political right in the US.
 
Rudy Giuliani is now part of the PA legal team for the vote fraud case and is currently making an ass of himself in the court.

The last time Rudy made a recorded appearance in Federal court was in 1992.

Popehat covering it here:

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1328776203029790720

There are excellent Republican/conservative oral advocates. Rudy is not one of them today. His presentation would be putting you to sleep even as a Fox rant.

I keep emphasizing this because it is such a deviation from the norm of competent advocacy in an important case.
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Rudy Giuliani is now part of the PA legal team for the vote fraud case and is currently making an ass of himself in the court.

The last time Rudy made a recorded appearance in Federal court was in 1992.

Popehat covering it here:

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1328776203029790720
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Have you seen the Trump legal team? It consists of crazed conspiracy peddlers that are regular Fox TV guests. It includes Sydney Powell, an absolute loon who claims the Trump won the popular vote by millions. Joe Digenova who also sells conspiracy theories on Fox and Rudy.

Wish I was an observer in that court today.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Rudy Giuliani is now part of the PA legal team for the vote fraud case and is currently making an ass of himself in the court.

The last time Rudy made a recorded appearance in Federal court was in 1992.

Popehat covering it here:

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1328776203029790720
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Its another clown show to add to the Wohl/Burkman debacle.

At this point, the GOP is looking more and more like a 1940's "Bozo" episode!
 
acbytesla said:
Have you seen the Trump legal team? It consists of crazed conspiracy peddlers that are regular Fox TV guests. It includes Sydney Powell, an absolute loon who claims the Trump won the popular vote by millions. Joe Digenova who also sells conspiracy theories on Fox and Rudy.

Wish I was an observer in that court today.
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I don't think they'd let you take the popcorn and beer in... and boy, would you ever need them!
 
Dave Rogers said:
Did you 'intuitively grasp' the mathematically inevitable result that, if he's right, there must be instances where the sign of a fair election must be that Trump receives more than 100% of the vote? And did you 'intuitively grasp' that the same analysis of Biden votes produces precisely the same result as for Trump, indicating that if votes were stolen from Trump then they were also stolen from Biden in the, same way?

The whole argument is nonsense, carefully crafted to fool the gullible and mathematically incompetent. It's sufficiently absurd that. 'I don't know either way' isn't an intellectually tenable position; if you haven't rejected it, you don't understand it.

Dave
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Remarkable, isn't it?
 
I'm curious; has anyone out there applied Benford's Law to the 2000 and 2004 elections? I'm thinking if you took the half-ass and incomplete data from different reports back then during election day, you'd get the same effed-up results as armchair mathematicians are getting now. I searched interwebs and couldn't find anything (because every page out there mentioned Benfords is only interested in this election).
 
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kookbreaker said:
Reading that, apparently Rudy is going straight for the “cities are evil and corrupt”. No hiding it at all.
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Fascinating reading Popehat's thread on the arguments in the Pennsylvania court case proceeding right now. Sadly, he's having audio issues and can no longer hear what's happening in the courtroom.
 
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