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Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

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acbytesla said:
This is the "ballot curing" complaint. The Trump argument is that because ballot curing wasn't uniformly applied that not just ballots that were cured (Guestimated at about 1500). but All mail in ballots in heavily Democratic counties should be tossed. It's an absurd remedy.
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No, I think that's the one they left behind. They expanded the description of the complaints by people who had their ballots cancelled but weren't notified that it was going to happen.
 
I haven't really been monitoring this thread for the last few days, are our resident Trump apologists still insisting that a true skeptic would treat Trump's meritless vote fraud claims as possibly legitimate?
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I haven't really been monitoring this thread for the last few days, are our resident Trump apologists still insisting that a true skeptic would treat Trump's meritless vote fraud claims as possibly legitimate?
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Only that you have to let Trump's claims go through the Courts, even if that takes another four to eight years.
 
Trump will accept his defeat right after Jabba proves immortality.

We just have to agree on the framework of the discussion, identify the neutral jury, agree that he's already won before we start the discussion, and prove reality itself first. No problem.
 
Monza said:
Looking at the big picture, in the past 4 years Trump has never had an approval rating above 50%. The polls in the months leading up to the election showed Biden in the lead, both for the popular vote and for several swing states. When the party conventions were aired, Biden received higher television ratings, just as he did when he and Trump had competing town hall meetings.

None of this actually proves anything, but it does indicate that it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that Biden won the election. That is, the results are not out of left field - in fact, they are right in line with the expected outcome.
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Isn't this 50% approval rating based on the same polls that turn out to be systematically skewed in favour of Biden?
 
shuttlt said:
Isn't this 50% approval rating based on the same polls that turn out to be systematically skewed in favour of Biden?
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No.

Also, Biden is beating trump by more then 5.5 million votes. Reality is skewed in favor of Biden.
 
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shuttlt, how you interpret the recent round of dismissals or otherwise negative court decisions for the election fraud lawsuits?

Seems like the pro-Trump advocates are taking some pretty serious losses across the board. Why do you think that is?
 
johnny karate said:
What harassment has taken place? Please be specific and provide evidence.
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Oh and to clarify actual harassment that happened in actual reality. Shuttit if you need reality explained to you it's that big thing outside your head that doesn't go away when try not to think about it.
 
johnny karate said:
What harassment has taken place? Please be specific and provide evidence.
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Some associate left a nasty voicemail and the crybaby Trump team filed for a sanction.

Probably not the kind of behavior that officers of the court ought to be up to, but still pretty small potatoes.

In this case, harassment meant a single rude phone call. Given the context of heavily armed MAGA CHUDs showing up to polling locations and giving city workers credible fear that they will be executed by some nutjob, it's hardly worth mentioning.

Linda Kerns, representing the Trump campaign in Pennsylvania, filed a whole motion requesting a sanction because she got a voicemail she didn’t like.
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https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1328360175300915201
 
TheL8Elvis said:
No.

Also, Biden is beating trump by more then 5.5 million votes. Reality is skewed in favor of Biden.
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That doesn't relate to the fact that the polls were wrong and the wrong polls are being used to make an argument. The last time I checked, the popular vote difference is 3.6%. The difference on 538 on election day was ~7%. Trump could easily have been above 50% for approval if there wasn't a polling bias.
 
shuttlt said:
It looks like there is a motion against one of the law firms opposing Trump in Pennsylvania. One of the people who took up the Lincoln Project's crusade to harass Trump's lawyers was a lawyer working for the law firm defending the Secretary of State of Pennsylvania.
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057/gov.uscourts.pamd.127057.131.0.pdf
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"Since this case was filed, undersigned counsel has been subjected to continuous harassment in the form of abusive e-mails, phone calls, physical and economic threats, and even accusations of treason – all for representing the President of the United States’ campaign in this litigation"​

This makes me think of how Lt Col. Vindman, Fiona Hill, Amb Yovanovich, William Taylor and George Kent were "subjected to continuous harassment in the form of abusive e-mails, phone calls, physical and economic threats, and even accusations of treason" all for the crime of telling the truth under oath.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
shuttlt, how you interpret the recent round of dismissals or otherwise negative court decisions for the election fraud lawsuits?
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I'd have to go through each of the cases to express an opinion. There seem to be rather a lot. Some are from Trump, lots aren't. One of them I looked at had been dismissed because there was another procedural remedy. My impression is that there are relatively few cases that are likely to be significant.

SuburbanTurkey said:
Seems like the pro-Trump advocates are taking some pretty serious losses across the board. Why do you think that is?
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That's hard to say. I think there is a bit of a "why are your car keys always in the last pocket you look in?" about this. The cases that will be quickly dismissed are likely to be the weaker ones. Also, presumably there will be appeals and so forth in many of them.
 
shuttlt said:
That doesn't relate to the fact that the polls were wrong and the wrong polls are being used to make an argument. The last time I checked, the popular vote difference is 3.6%. The difference on 538 on election day was ~7%. Trump could easily have been above 50% for approval if there wasn't a polling bias.
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No.

Maybe it could have been over 50% if trump wasn't a complete piece of ****, but even then it's doubtful.
 
shuttlt said:
That doesn't relate to the fact that the polls were wrong and the wrong polls are being used to make an argument. The last time I checked, the popular vote difference is 3.6%. The difference on 538 on election day was ~7%. Trump could easily have been above 50% for approval if there wasn't a polling bias.
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Nope, Trump's approval rating has never been above 45.5%, even on the day he was elected.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
 
shuttlt said:
That doesn't relate to the fact that the polls were wrong and the wrong polls are being used to make an argument. The last time I checked, the popular vote difference is 3.6%. The difference on 538 on election day was ~7%. Trump could easily have been above 50% for approval if there wasn't a polling bias.
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Why do you think that makes polls wrong? That seems right to me.
 
My police experience of election fraud was a vote being put for sale on ebay, prior to the election taking place, which was investigated and dealt with prior to the election and then complaints about people voting for others when that should not have happened, which were reported and investigated on election day.

It does seem very odd that all of this supposed fraud is being dealt with by lawyers and the courts, not the police and I have yet to see a case where an individual reported a fraud on the day.
 
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