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Cont: 2020 Presidential Election part 3

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As I said, I don’t think Trump is trying to win the election by having more votes. I think he is just trying to muddy the waters to the point that a large segment of his followers believe the ballot-related crimes of the Democrats invalidates the election and that Trump must stay in office until a secure election can be held.
I think it's more long-term than that. The narrative of a stolen election will fire up his crowd and sow resentment towards the Democrats and liberals. Also, the more lies he can feed them and convince them of, the farther they drift into the post-fact bubble. This will just be another case of competing narratives to them, Trump supporters believing the election was rigged, and liberals, Democrats, and the MSM claiming it wasn't.

Like two competing religious denominations :boggled: .
 
As I said, I don’t think Trump is trying to win the election by having more votes. I think he is just trying to muddy the waters to the point that a large segment of his followers believe the ballot-related crimes of the Democrats invalidates the election and that Trump must stay in office until a secure election can be held.

You and I may look at the lawsuits and laugh about their absurdity. But the goal is not to avoid filing absurd lawsuits. The goal is to get folks to say, “if everything was done fairly, then why were there so many lawsuits.” They are playing a completely different game.

It this is Trump's strategy he is even more stupid then he thought.
he cannot stay in office after Jan 20th,period. The COnsitution says so.
 
So I decided to listen to Hannity's opening today, and it was, in part, about signature matching in Georgia, but he was talking about it in reference to the impending Senate runoff elections.

I went back and checked Trump's tweet, and Trump was definitely talking in reference to the presidential election which he lost. (Yes, gratuitous reference to Trump losing. It's fun to write.)

Now I'm wondering if Trump was just writing something he heard on TV, thinking it was about him.

Probably, there is this bizarre feedback loop happening where something on social media gets repeated by right wing media and it becomes a part of Trump's messaging.

The fact is "The state of Georgia strengthened signature match this year,” SOS Raffensperger wrote, saying that election officials received signature-match training requiring a confirmed match be made twice before a ballot is cast.

But that doesn't happen in the recount where the counters are only recounting the Presidential race. This is a process already that is taking thousands of counters a week to accomplish. Imagine how longer it would take to check all the signatures again also even if it was a viable option.

The Secretary of State of Georgia explains why not being able to identifying the citizen who cast a specific ballot is important. "In this state, voters cast their ballots in secret so that no political party or candidate can ever intimidate nor threaten a voter into changing his or her vote,” Raffensperger added. “We will continue to protect the integrity of the vote.”
 
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I wonder what that means in terms of absolute votes.

What's the biggest absolute difference that has ever overturned a result? 400?

I believe that the largest lead in the initial count that was overturned by a recount is 261 (Washington governor 2004). Much of the discrepancy between the original totals and recounted totals in most of the recounts has come from counting absentee ballots that were missed or incorrectly rejected during the initial count, so it is common for even the candidate who loses the lead to have a few more votes after the recount.
 
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Supreme Court Does Not Take Up Pennsylvania Absentee Ballot Case

This isn't good news for anyone holding out hope that the Supreme Court would somehow overturn Biden's 68,000 vote lead in Pennsylvania.

The Supreme Court on Monday took no action on the case....see below.

"Republicans have asked the high court to block all absentee ballots that arrived after Election Day. The justices previously upheld a Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling for ballots to count that arrived up to three days after the election as long as they were postmarked by Nov. 3. State Republicans are seeking to bring the case back before the Supreme Court, and President Donald Trump's team has also asked the justices to intervene in the matter. "
https://www.usnews.com/news/electio...pennsylvania-absentee-ballot-case?context=amp
 
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Trump Tweets

No Way!

This is crazy!

Most fraudulent Election in history!

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Stonewall Jackson
@1776Stonewall
A man named Peter Neffenger, a retired Admiral, is president, and listed on the board of directors of 'Smartmatic', which created the software for Dominion. Neffenger is on the Biden transition team

What's that saying about being six degrees away from Kevin Bacon. Coincidentally, my Erdos number is about six. :p
 
Just curious, but at this point is it even possible to signature match?

I don't think that, right now, it is possible to tie a specific ballot to a specific voter. If you could, it wouldn't be a secret ballot.

But I've never run an election, so maybe they do things differently with absentee ballots.


It's unconstitutional to maintain the sigs with the ballots. How you voted is secret. Once the ballots are removed from the envelope there is no way to match it back up.
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This part isn't exactly true, at least not in NC. This is not to say that it wouldn't be exceedingly difficult, but I don't think it would be impossible.

Here's why. When someone requests an absentee ballot here, a unique code is generated for that request. This code can be found printed on a label which is affixed to the return envelope for the ballot. Said label also has the name and address of the voter who requested the ballot.

There is a box on the ballot itself where that same code is copied (by hand, which may offer even different issues).

So there are two separate items which if combined can provide a direct trail to the identity of that particular ballot's recipient.

Now I suspect (would hope) that there are layers of security which are intended to prevent, or at least make it exceedingly difficult to manage to combine these two data points, but nonetheless they are there.

I have no idea about the process in any other state, but that is what has been done here for at least the last three elections. (Those being the ones for which I have requested an absentee ballot.)

And I can provide photographic proof, since I chose to vote during the early voting period, and still have my original absentee ballot package in its entirety.
 
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This isn't good news for anyone holding out hope that the Supreme Court would somehow overturn Biden's 68,000 vote lead in Pennsylvania.

The Supreme Court on Monday took no action on the case....see below.

That's not at all that surprising. SCOTUS has been remarkably consistent in saying that States are the masters of the technical nuts and bolts levels of how their elections go. They'll (theoretically) step in cases of outright voter fraud, cheating, tampering, etc but Trump/The Republicans are not going to get SCOTUS to rule against any voting process.

Now, this is a double-edge sword. Any shenanigans that happen and are upheld on a State level will probably not get overturned, but so far it looks like Republican State leaderships aren't taking that bait like Trump hoped they would.
 
You're right, they are not. Seems as if Trump intends to ask for a recount in Wisconsin regardless since they absolutely need to flip Pennsylvania and another state.
he needs to flip PA and two other states (from GA, WI, MI, AZ). Max EC votes from those 4 is 16, which added to PA’s 20, would only get Biden to exactly 270.
 
My Facebook weather vane Trump supporters are now posting videos of “voter irregularities” such as a guy showing printed ballots for Trump and saying “ha ha ha, I will put these in a plastic bag and set fire to them. Ha ha ha!” Then doing just that. It looks totally like a legit thing a Biden supporter would do, right?
 
Rudy is reporting on his progress

Rudy W. Giuliani
@RudyGiuliani
REVEALED: Sworn Evidence Of Pervasive Voter Fraud #Affidavits
Rudy Giuliani breaks it down here: https://youtu.be/sd-5Xm5PFmg

Wait. A. Minute. Either:
A) that's not Rudy, or
b) he's using Trump's orange goo and dyed his hair dark.

I'm leaning toward B.

The pure damned stooopid in the comments there is pretty breathtaking. For instance, this (seen this meme here on ISF too)-
daheat0627
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73 + million ticked off Americans and not 1 burning building, no one is rioting and no one is looting. That’s Amazing.

Well, good for you, have a cookie- 78 million + satisfied Americans thank you for your forbearance in not rioting over something that, by that count, you have absolutely no reason to riot about.
 
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I don't think the Trump campaign is paying for the Georgia recount. That recount is really an audit that the state normally does (except this time the SoS decided the sample size should be 100% of the votes).

IIRC a recount in Wisconsin would cost the Trump campaign $3million.


My understanding from recent reading is that since it is an audit and not a recount, this means that even after it is completed a recount can still be requested if the final difference is <0.5%.

I'm not sure who pays for the recount.
 
That's not at all that surprising. SCOTUS has been remarkably consistent in saying that States are the masters of the technical nuts and bolts levels of how their elections go. They'll (theoretically) step in cases of outright voter fraud, cheating, tampering, etc but Trump/The Republicans are not going to get SCOTUS to rule against any voting process.

Now, this is a double-edge sword. Any shenanigans that happen and are upheld on a State level will probably not get overturned, but so far it looks like Republican State leaderships aren't taking that bait like Trump hoped they would.

They're desperately trying to find some technicality that will allow them to throw out most of the votes from Philadelphia.
 
My understanding from recent reading is that since it is an audit and not a recount, this means that even after it is completed a recount can still be requested if the final difference is <0.5%.

I'm not sure who pays for the recount.

It's an audit and a manual recount.
 
he needs to flip PA and two other states (from GA, WI, MI, AZ). Max EC votes from those 4 is 16, which added to PA’s 20, would only get Biden to exactly 270.

You're right. It's all over if the recount in Georgia doesn't flip the results.

Except with the nutjob...nothing is over. Georgia has a deadline to finish the recount by the end of the day Wednesday. I read on Saturday tha they estimate that they would be done by the end of today. Not sure if they still are on that schedule.
 
I have no idea about the process in any other state, but that is what has been done here for at least the last three elections. (Those being the ones for which I have requested an absentee ballot.)

This is the first time I ever voted absentee, but in Michigan, the number that identifies my ballot as belonging to me was on a perforated stub, visible outside the privacy envelope. In Michigan, the privacy envelope was not a sealed envelope. The stub stuck out at the top.

I don't remember exactly where I signed or exactly what I filled out, but I remember noting that you could do all of the ID of the voter without ever looking at the ballot, and then you could take off the stub, once again without looking at the ballot. I don't think I made any marks on the ballot itself except for filling in the ovals.

I'm assuming that the process involves getting the envelope. Scanning it, verifying the signature, removing the stub, and then putting the stub in one pile, and the ballot in another. At that point, there is nothing on the ballot to indicate it is mine. I assume that's what happens to ballots, but as I say, I've never been an election worker, so that might not actually be the case.

I skimmed a few seconds of Rudy's video attached to his tweet. He was going on about the poll worker asked not to verify signatures. Once again I have to wonder whether Rudy is lying or stupid. The processing of the ballots are not done that way. One station verifies the signature, and sends it to the next station, where that guy was working. He didn't verify the signature because it wasn't his job. It was someone else's, and yet Rudy is chattering about it.
 
Trump Tweets

Big victory moments ago in the State of Nevada. The all Democrat County Commissioner race, on same ballot as President, just thrown out because of large scale voter discrepancy. Clark County officials do not have confidence in their own election security. Major impact!
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Adam Paul Laxalt
@AdamLaxalt
The Clark County Commission just threw out an election that represents almost 1/6 of the total votes cast in Clark County because there were too many “discrepancies” to be sure that that the results in that election can be certain. 153K votes in this election. twitter.com/meganmesserly/…
 
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