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Cont: 2020 Presidential Election part 3

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The rate of rejected Mail-In Ballots is 30 X’s lower in Pennsylvania this year than it was in 2016. This is why they kept our poll watchers and observers out of the “SACRED” vote counting rooms!
 
acbytesla said:
I guess my question is this. What if the recount shows what we know now and it hasn't materially changed the vote count. Do the GOP in Wisconsin and Arizona stop calling for recounts there?
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Arizona only does recounts if the vote is within 0.1%, so there will be no recount there.

The largest shift in a vote count in a statewide election in the USA in the last 20 years was 0.107%. The largest lead that was overturned by a recount was 0.055%.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets


The rate of rejected Mail-In Ballots is 30 X’s lower in Pennsylvania this year than it was in 2016. This is why they kept our poll watchers and observers out of the “SACRED” vote counting rooms!
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Man, he's got a hell of a lag to him. That is the part of the PA lawsuit that was crossed out/amended by HIS lawyers.
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
Arizona only does recounts if the vote is within 0.1%, so there will be no recount there.

The largest shift in a vote count in a statewide election in the USA in the last 20 years was 0.107%. The largest lead that was overturned by a recount was 0.055%.
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I wonder what that means in terms of absolute votes.

What's the biggest absolute difference that has ever overturned a result? 400?
 
acbytesla said:
LOL. There aren't signatures on more than a 150 million ballots. Should we annul the election and make Trump President for life?
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I actually think he would have tried that option after had he been elected to another term and eight years in office.
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
Arizona only does recounts if the vote is within 0.1%, so there will be no recount there.

The largest shift in a vote count in a statewide election in the USA in the last 20 years was 0.107%. The largest lead that was overturned by a recount was 0.055%.
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I guess Wisconsin then. Pretty much anyone can request a recount there if it is less than 1%. The margin in Wisconsin is 20K, more than 6 thousand more than in Georgia . And because the margin in Wisconsin is greater than .25 Trump/GOP would have to pay for it. The Georgia recount is expensive. Would they still be asking for a recount in Wisconsin?
 
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acbytesla said:
I guess Wisconsin then. Pretty much anyone can request a recount there if it is less than 1%. The margin in Wisconsin is 20K, more than 6 thousand more than in Georgia . And because the margin in Wisconsin is greater than .25 Trump/GOP would have to pay for it. The Georgia recount is expensive. Would they still be asking for a recount in Wisconsin?
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The Trump campaign doesn't have any money. I'd get it cash up front.

Shouldn't any recount in Wisconsin already be happening?
 
acbytesla said:
The Georgia recount is expensive. Would they still be asking for a recount in Wisconsin?
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I don't think the Trump campaign is paying for the Georgia recount. That recount is really an audit that the state normally does (except this time the SoS decided the sample size should be 100% of the votes).

IIRC a recount in Wisconsin would cost the Trump campaign $3million.
 
Trump will have to decide by Wednesday whether to carry through with the recount he has promised to pursue in Wisconsin.

If his campaign pays the $7.9 million cost up front, the recount will begin as soon as Thursday and be complete by Dec. 1, according to the state Elections Commission.

https://amp.jsonline.com/amp/6316022002
 
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bonzombiekitty said:
I don't think the Trump campaign is paying for the Georgia recount. That recount is really an audit that the state normally does (except this time the SoS decided the sample size should be 100% of the votes).

IIRC a recount in Wisconsin would cost the Trump campaign $3million.
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You're right, they are not. Seems as if Trump intends to ask for a recount in Wisconsin regardless since they absolutely need to flip Pennsylvania and another state.
 
acbytesla said:
You're right, they are not. Seems as if Trump intends to ask for a recount in Wisconsin regardless since they absolutely need to flip Pennsylvania and another state.
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And that is not going to happen. Anyone who thinks so are fooling themselves.
 
bonzombiekitty said:
And that is not going to happen. Anyone who thinks so are fooling themselves.
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Flipping Pennsylvania depends on what I view as a ridiculous legal strategy. Trump's legal team thinks they can get a court to invalidate more than 600,000 ballots in Philadelphia.
 
As I said, I don’t think Trump is trying to win the election by having more votes. I think he is just trying to muddy the waters to the point that a large segment of his followers believe the ballot-related crimes of the Democrats invalidates the election and that Trump must stay in office until a secure election can be held.

You and I may look at the lawsuits and laugh about their absurdity. But the goal is not to avoid filing absurd lawsuits. The goal is to get folks to say, “if everything was done fairly, then why were there so many lawsuits.” They are playing a completely different game.
 
acbytesla said:
The signature complaint is downright stupid. They verify the sigatures BEFORE they open the ballot. They are not even going to open and count the votes on the ballot until the affidavit (ballot envelope) is approved. Otherwise election officials could see your votes influencing them to either accept or reject your ballot.

The signature not matching what they have on file also doesn't immediately disqualify your ballots. They will flag it and set it aside. How it is dealt with then varies a lot which has brought up another absurd technical controversy.

Many states allow you "cure" your ballot. Say the signature doesn't match or you didn't sign it or didn't print your address on the envelope or you used a preprinted address label.

The GOP has fought over every one of these, Right now Trump is trying to throw out almost 700,000 votes in heavily Democratic areas because the State allowed counties to identify flagged ballots so they could be cured. Some did, some didn't.
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So I decided to listen to Hannity's opening today, and it was, in part, about signature matching in Georgia, but he was talking about it in reference to the impending Senate runoff elections.

I went back and checked Trump's tweet, and Trump was definitely talking in reference to the presidential election which he lost. (Yes, gratuitous reference to Trump losing. It's fun to write.)

Now I'm wondering if Trump was just writing something he heard on TV, thinking it was about him.
 
Here's an interesting story from Georgia:

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics...nted-floyd-county/GGN7ILIKJNEUTCQ5BKP4O6BR5A/

One county missed 2600 ballots the first time around. That gave Trump a net gain of 800 votes during the recount.

Or....did they? How do so many ballots suddenly appear two weeks after the election? Stop ...The....Count!!!!

(The election director of Floyd County has been asked to step down.)


ETA: Fifteen more counties like that, and Biden could be in trouble.

If he also loses Pennsylvania.

And Arizona.
 
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Ladewig said:
As I said, I don’t think Trump is trying to win the election by having more votes. I think he is just trying to muddy the waters to the point that a large segment of his followers believe the ballot-related crimes of the Democrats invalidates the election and that Trump must stay in office until a secure election can be held.

You and I may look at the lawsuits and laugh about their absurdity. But the goal is not to avoid filing absurd lawsuits. The goal is to get folks to say, “if everything was done fairly, then why were there so many lawsuits.” They are playing a completely different game.
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And even if their "slinging crap against the wall to see what sticks" strategy doesn't work to keep Trump in office, it will, for around 40% of the American population, serve perfectly well to taint Biden's presidency. And the GOP will almost surely work that to their advantage. We saw what they did to a President (Obama) about whose election there was no controversy- "the number one goal is to make him a one-term president"; imagine what they can do, in terms of blocking Biden in any of his policy goals or (say) Supreme Court picks, when they can use a controversy they've created and fed to pretend there's some doubt about the legitimacy of his election. McConnell & Co don't ever have to come right out and call it The Great Election Steal of 2020- it's sufficient for their purposes if all they ever do is imply it, leaving their brain-dead base to do all the inferring necessary. They neuter Biden by getting their base to do all the heavy-lifting of believing his election was a fix.
 
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