Allegations of Fraud in 2020 US Election

[Bob001]

CNN, Nov. 14, 2020: Accused 'dead' voter in Georgia is alive and speaking out

How do we know she's alive? Are we supposed to take her word for it?
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https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/11/14/dead-voter-fraud-claim-bts-wkndnd-vpx.cnn

 

[acbytesla]

And the next morning? Considering Gore had a lead in the popular vote.
If not then, when did you accept the winner?

I didn't know what to think. And who won the popular vote was unclear too.

But at no time did I feel Gore won the election. I just didn't know who had. And remember, the recount was halted by Bush v Gore.

And the difference between those 500 votes and Pennsylvania in Georgia is 78 thousand votes. The comparison is weaker than weak.

There isn't a single court case going right now that has survived a single day or resulted in any order that could challenge the election in any state in the country. Not one. That wasn't true in 2000.

It's also worth noting that Congress in 2002 passed a law allowing for transition procedures such as access to the PDB, State Department assistance, office space and funding to be provided to an apparent winner. Something Trump has stonewalled on.

Or are you still saying Biden isn't the apparent winner?

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

I didn't know what to think. And who won the popular vote was unclear too.

But at no time did I feel Gore won the election. I just didn't know who had. And remember, the recount was halted by Bush v Gore.

And the difference between those 500 votes and Pennsylvania in Georgia is 78 thousand votes. The comparison is weaker than weak.

There isn't a single court case going right now that has survived a single day or resulted in any order that could challenge the election in any state in the country. Not one. That wasn't true in 2000.

It's also worth noting that Congress in 2002 passed a law allowing for transition procedures such as access to the PDB, State Department assistance, office space and funding to be provided to an apparent winner. Something Trump has stonewalled on.

Or are you still saying Biden isn't the apparent winner?

Biden is absolutely leading and will likely win barring any major malfunctions discovered during the recounts or the process. But just as in 2016, the final results come in, are certified then voted on at the EC in December. Until then things could change. Don't set yourself up. It's ok to have hope but the fat lady is still waiting off stage.

 

[Myriad]

It’s absolutely, without question, worse to deny hundreds of thousands of votes due to slow shipping than it is to not scan them as delivered but deliver them anyway. I think it’s more for tracking purposes for the customer anyway, it’s not a security feature to track any other shipment but they do that anyway.

There are people who would prefer procedures be followed to the letter even if that denied hundreds of thousands of eligible voters their voting rights.

They're the same people who would insist your car be immediately towed as "unsafe" if your annual inspection sticker had expired a day ago. Or who would try to bar you from exiting a burning building because you hadn't signed out at the front desk. Or demand you walk an hour out of your way to use a "legal crossing" along a low-traffic road.

Those people constantly make the world a worse place to live for everyone.

 

[acbytesla]

Biden is absolutely leading and will likely win barring any major malfunctions discovered during the recounts or the process. But just as in 2016, the final results come in, are certified then voted on at the EC in December. Until then things could change. Don't set yourself up. It's ok to have hope but the fat lady is still waiting off stage.

KOO KOO! Have a little integrity why don't you?

There hasn't been a hint at even minor malfunctions. Let alone any major ones. There are only the crazy tweets and remarks by the biggest nutter of them all. More than 20 legal actions that have fallen flat on their face.

Talk about living in an alternate reality.

Biden is the apparent winner to anyone with even a trifle of sanity left.

 

[Bob001]

Biden is absolutely leading and will likely win barring any major malfunctions discovered during the recounts or the process. But just as in 2016, the final results come in, are certified then voted on at the EC in December. Until then things could change. Don't set yourself up. It's ok to have hope but the fat lady is still waiting off stage.

Okay, why don't you describe a scenario on Earth One in which the election could turn to Trump? It would require switching at least tens of thousands of votes in at least three states. Where's your evidence that that's even possible?

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

It’s absolutely, without question, worse to deny hundreds of thousands of votes due to slow shipping than it is to not scan them as delivered but deliver them anyway. I think it’s more for tracking purposes for the customer anyway, it’s not a security feature to track any other shipment but they do that anyway.

That's the thing I don't get about this argument. The Postal Service was damned if they did and damned if they didn't expedite delivery. Whatever course of action the agency chose, there was going to be second-guessing. This handwringing about the "missing" ballots is pure virtue signaling.

Louis DeJoy bought the position of postmaster general with $1.2 million in donations to the GOP and he did what he could to sabotage the mail-in voting process. That's why I dropped my own ballot off rather than putting it in the mail - because that hack DeJoy was going to do whatever he could to help the Trump campaign. That's way more concerning to me than a missed delivery scan, but interestingly enough it's not the facet that Trump supporters are whining about.

You sound like you're running the Trump legal defense. It has been explained by credible authorities that the USPS didn't scan some ballots to deliver them faster. No election authorities have claimed that any substantial number of ballots in their jurisdictions wasn't delivered or are missing. No substantial number of voters has claimed that their ballots weren't recorded in their state databases. Yet you insist that some terrible miscarriage of justice must have occurred because a standard processing step was bypassed under extraordinary circumstances. The absence of evidence must be concrete proof, right?

Your acceptance is not required.

There are people who would prefer procedures be followed to the letter even if that denied hundreds of thousands of eligible voters their voting rights.

They're the same people who would insist your car be immediately towed as "unsafe" if your annual inspection sticker had expired a day ago. Or who would try to bar you from exiting a burning building because you hadn't signed out at the front desk. Or demand you walk an hour out of your way to use a "legal crossing" along a low-traffic road.

Those people constantly make the world a worse place to live for everyone.

This is a question for everyone. Why do you think the Postal service could not deliver ballots AND scan them to confirm delivery? Ask yourself. The USPS moves millions of pieces of mail every day. During the Holiday season more. Why would you expect your Christmas delivery to be scanned at delivery and your election ballot not?

 

[Bob001]

This is a question for everyone. Why do you think the Postal service could not deliver ballots AND scan them to confirm delivery? Ask yourself. The USPS moves millions of pieces of mail every day. During the Holiday season more. Why would you expect your Christmas delivery to be scanned at delivery and your election ballot not?

Because the USPS was under enormous legal and political pressure to deliver all ballots on the day of the election, often not even by midnight but by 7 or 8 p.m., because if they arrived late in many states they wouldn't be counted. What don't you get about that?

 

[Garrison]

This is a question for everyone. Why do you think the Postal service could not deliver ballots AND scan them to confirm delivery? Ask yourself. The USPS moves millions of pieces of mail every day. During the Holiday season more. Why would you expect your Christmas delivery to be scanned at delivery and your election ballot not?

Here's a question, got any actual evidence of fraud or are just going to continue repeating the same drivel that's already been adequately explained multiple times? You're frankly pathetic at this point, like those lapdogs who turned up in Washington so Trump could wave as he drove by on his way to a vital golf game.

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Because the USPS was under enormous legal and political pressure to deliver all ballots on the day of the election, often not even by midnight but by 7 or 8 p.m., because if they arrived late in many states they wouldn't be counted. What don't you get about that?

Aren't they under pressure to deliver millions of packages by Dec 24th every year?

 

[Bob001]

Aren't they under pressure to deliver millions of packages by Dec 24th every year?

So what? The difference is that packages can still be delivered later. They don't evaporate, which is effectively what happens with late ballots in some states.

 

[phiwum]

This is a question for everyone. Why do you think the Postal service could not deliver ballots AND scan them to confirm delivery? Ask yourself. The USPS moves millions of pieces of mail every day. During the Holiday season more. Why would you expect your Christmas delivery to be scanned at delivery and your election ballot not?

Because late Christmas packages don't disenfranchise a voter?

 

[dirtywick]

This is a question for everyone. Why do you think the Postal service could not deliver ballots AND scan them to confirm delivery? Ask yourself. The USPS moves millions of pieces of mail every day. During the Holiday season more. Why would you expect your Christmas delivery to be scanned at delivery and your election ballot not?

Bro, does the USPS deliver late packages, lose packages, and scan them inaccurately all year. Ask yourself.

People don’t really care that much because it’s not denying you your constitutional right if you don’t get a Christmas package. Making sure the votes get there by the arbitrary deadline despite the postmark is kind of a big deal here. Not so much for Christmas

 

[dirtywick]

It’s insane that you’re going on and on about this. 300k voters didn’t get their votes counted is pretty easy to prove if it were the case. Instead you got a postal worker that says he might have overheard a guy scan one vote in late.

It’s ridiculous. Hilarious and sad also

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Okay, why don't you describe a scenario on Earth One in which the election could turn to Trump? It would require switching at least tens of thousands of votes in at least three states. Where's your evidence that that's even possible?

I've already submitted evidence of 300K ballots. And you have hand waved them away preferring to trust the narrative that "We promise we delivered the ballots". "We bypassed delivery confirmation scans because we had a deadline." If that's good enough for you I guess your guy is in good shape with no worries.

 

[smartcooky]

Bollocks. You apear to be in denial of reality. There didn't seem to be any 'left-wing' groups running around gunfondling during the election and count, were there?
Most US domestic terrorism was, and is, perpetrated by right-wing nutters, mainly white supremacists. A fact you appear not to want to accept.

Yeah, I posted a reply to this particular set of shuttit's bollocks, outlining what you just said, here...

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13294436&postcount=1837

...with details, statistics, and examples!

shuttit's response.... crickets

 

[eerok]

We shouldn't be so hard on Chris. First he lost bigfoot due to conspicuous nonexistence, and now the same thing is happening with Trump's presidency.

Still, in this thread, we're looking for instances of fraud in the 2020 election, and there doesn't seem to be anything that means squat. USPS did its best to deliver ballots on time, even if it had to skip scanning them all. As long as other checks were in place, how is that a bad thing?

As we all know, and as we've seen in this election, the more people vote, the less likely jackasses like Trump end up in power. This is no kind of failure -- this is democracy in action.

 

[slyjoe]

I would like to see where in the election laws it says the USPS must scan the ballots. What if they didn't scan any of them?

 

[ChrisBFRPKY]

Bro, does the USPS deliver late packages, lose packages, and scan them inaccurately all year. Ask yourself.

People don’t really care that much because it’s not denying you your constitutional right if you don’t get a Christmas package. Making sure the votes get there by the arbitrary deadline despite the postmark is kind of a big deal here. Not so much for Christmas

It’s insane that you’re going on and on about this. 300k voters didn’t get their votes counted is pretty easy to prove if it were the case. Instead you got a postal worker that says he might have overheard a guy scan one vote in late.

It’s ridiculous. Hilarious and sad also

Pointing out to a group of skeptics that faith and trust are not the same as proof of delivery verification is easy.

Watching them argue for a faith based acceptance over an electronic delivery confirmation scan is priceless.

 

[Bob001]

I've already submitted evidence of 300K ballots. And you have hand waved them away preferring to trust the narrative that "We promise we delivered the ballots". "We bypassed delivery confirmation scans because we had a deadline." If that's good enough for you I guess your guy is in good shape with no worries.

No, you haven't. You refuse to understand that the election authorities scan the ballots themselves. That's how they are able maintain databases that voters can use to be sure their ballots were counted. Where are 300,000 voters -- or any -- claiming that their ballots weren't delivered?